PvP

Explaining PvP in ESO - Full Guide

By: Ambuaz
Everyone likes to fight in the game. In TES Online battles are spectacular and interesting. There are special battlegrounds, castles and towers for sieges and many other interesting places for fighting.
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In most MMO games PvP is just a separate part that does not affect the game itself. But in Elder Scrolls Online it is implemented into general game story as Alliance War. Three alliances are fighting between each other and you are the member of one of them. Your impact into world PvP helps your faction to win Alliance War and to control Imperial City. When your faction controls the Imperial City it is possible to challenge Molag Bal and his armies.

Cyrodiil

Cyrodiil is a huge province where all action of Alliance War takes place. Why Cyrodiil? Because the Ruby Throne is situated here. The faction that controls the throne rules in Tamriel.

Cyrodiil is the only area where you can fight against others in the game. Overall size of the province is as big as it was in TES IV: Oblivion and there is enough place for fighting and having fun. There are different battlegrounds, towers and castles for sieges.

Elder Scrolls Online does not force you to fight against others but sometimes you will have to visit Ctrodiil in your quests. PvP is not an obligation and you can enjoy PvE content in other provinces without necessity to protect yourself. Just don’t visit Cyrodiil too often if you don’t like to fight against other players.

The great thing about ESO is that Alliance War does not mean only fighting against other players. There are many familiar towns where you will be able to take different quests, there are public dungeons that you can visit, dark anchors, Mages Guild’s books and there are different places for exploration. You will meet a lot of NPCs who need your help.

How to take part in battles?

All you need to take part in AvA is to enter Cyrodiil. You can do this after reaching 10th level. All players between 20th and 50th level who enter the territory of Cyrodiil receive “battle-leveling” that temproary enhances their attributes. Players with Battle levels do not have access to full class abilities, skills and perks. Character with battle level is not as strong as a character with real level.

Thus you can bring maximum benefits for you alliance after you reach rather high level. That does not mean you should not visit Cyrodiil when you are not strong enough. You can enter the province, fight there and level up but you will not be the strongest person.

Objectives

There are many different objectives in Cyrodiil: keeps, towns, villages, mines, outposts and fortresses. The general goal of the faction is to take under control and defend as many objectives as possible. Each object your faction controls boosts overall score of your faction and gives bonuses to all faction members. The score is used to determine the winner of Alliance War.

There are several ways to help your faction to win. You can fight against enemies and capture objects or you can support the army by setting up siege weapons, reinforcing keeps, and upgrading guards. Supporting actions do not always require direct encounters.

How to understand where the general action is? It is not difficult. Just open your map and you will see everything there. If a keep is under attack it has a splash behind it. If there is a place where some kills takes place the place will be marked with two or three crossed swords (depending on how many alliances take part in the encounter). The size of the swords on the map depends on the size of the battle. The system will show you where the action takes place and where to.

Balance in Alliance War

The game has three playable factions: Aldmeri Dominion, Daggerfall Covenant and Ebonheart Pact. If one faction becomes too powerful representatives of other two can start working together against it to change the situation.

PvP Mechanics

Combat in Elder Scrolls Online is not rotation-based. Abilities do not have cooldowns and combat mechanics is based on resource management. There are three main pools: stamina, magicka and health. Each spell, skill or ability requires one of these resources.

Stamina management is very important for melee warriors because stamina pool is used for interrupting, blocking and stealth. Magicka management is important for mages, sorcerers, healers.

PvP mechanics is also based on your skill. The better you block, interrupt, react and use synergy the more experience and Finesse points you receive and the quicker your ultimate bar recharges. Ultimate points allow to use Ultimate abilities. If you perform well in combat you recharge your Ultimate skills quicker and can use these skills more often. Player’s skill is a very important part of PvP mechanics in Elder Scrolls Online.

Best PvP class

Your performance in Alliance War depends not on your class. Everything depends on your mastery in using spells and abilities. A good PvP fighter knows plusses of every ability and can choose how to act in current situation. Every class is good in ESO.<.p>

How to win?

ESO is a game where you need to master your class in order to achieve good results. That means you should know when and how to act, when to use ultimate spells, how to manage your main pools (magicka and stamina) and many more. The variety of possible enemies’ builds makes each battle unique. The key to success is quick reaction and understanding of game mechanics.

FAQ

Is it possible to level up through PvP?
Yes, it is possible. Each player receives experience in PvP fights for killing players from other factions, for completing PvP quests, for capturing the keeps and many more. It is possible to enter Cyrodiil and level up there.

Is it possible to loot someone’s corps?
No, it is impossible to look the corpse of your enemy in PvP. You can not take someone’s gear and nobody can take your gear or your money. When you kill an enemy you need to loot it to receive alliance points.

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  • Comments

    1. Steve Armstrong 20 november 2013, 01:19 # 0
      They took the 3 realms option from Mythic's Dark Ages of Camelot Online. It's not as fairly balanced as you might think.When one realm get's over populated it can dominate the other two realms which leads to more people leaving the loosing realms and joinging the winning realm. It's a downward spiral after that begins.
      1. Cesar Borgia 11 december 2013, 12:49 # +1
        You're going to have quests you can't finish because some jerk keeps killing you over and over again.
        1. Levi Ivester 15 december 2013, 06:33 # 0
          alliance vs. alliance is like DAoC only DAoC keeps trying to kill itself by making it easier for the casual, weekend only player and making the devoted experienced players angry. Yes, you have quests in the PvP areas. Either you take the time to group with people who want the same thing done or you wallow in self-pity about how many times someone kills you or just don't play online games and play skyrim. PvP is the toughest part of MMOs. NPCs are predictable while people sometimes are not. I play these games for the challenge, not easy questing. If its easy...I don't pay money for it.
          1. Matt Foster 15 december 2013, 18:37 # 0
            Does anybody know if there is friendly fire in this game,
            in my opinion there should be, in all types of battle this would make casting area of effect abilities more strategic maybe buffs could be kept to allies only depending on what they are but heal spells and destruction magic should hit anybody in the area or it's just not realistic. This would cause players to communicate and move as one unit to be able to use aoe's
            1. Glenda Lightfoot 06 january 2014, 20:46 # +1
              I dont understand why PvP cant have a turn-off toggle. If not take the non-PvP quests out of cyrodil. There WILL be immatures that will farm kill lowbies. Guaranteed, they are in all games. I dont like to PvP. Ever.
              1. Tyler Boucher 07 january 2014, 21:59 # 0
                will there be different pvp based servers? like a race based server, diety based server, for open pvp? or are all servers going to be green with just an arena?
                1. Duelist 22 january 2014, 13:39 # 0
                  I didn’t hear about any PvP servers in ESO. There is one PvP zone — Cyrodiil, but you can level up there and play without going out of it. So it's like a small PvP server :)
                2. Luzarius Live 08 january 2014, 00:01 # 0
                  Another carebear PVP mmo with a bunch of carebears complaining about getting pk'ed. You can't even loot an enemy players corpse so what is the point of killing them in the first place? *sigh*

                  I hope they make a separate PVP server with looting turned on for killing your fellow players. I would play this game in heartbeat then.

                  Separate the wolves from the sheep (above people who responded).

                  The whole point of looting players is to kill them and impose your will on them, force them to join your clan so you grow in power or deny them resources. From this point guild politics play a huge role and real alliances between player guilds begin to form. But the average carebear from world of ****craft would never understand this.
                  1. Jonathan Wasser 26 april 2014, 14:17 # 0
                    It's fine that you have your opinion, but what you need to realize is that appealing to a larger number of people increases the income that a game receives. Increased revenue increases bug fixes, content updates, helps support new content creation. Only a small fraction of people would enjoy the kind of game you are talking about, and those people may get fed up and frustrated if they can't seem to get ahead.

                    Elder Scrolls is a title that has (up until now) been a solo game. It only makes sense to create a world that can ease people into multi-player and PVP. The design of the game is meant to allow for both solo players and guilds to play and interact with each other without obligation.

                    Calling people sheep for wanting to avoid conflict is both harsh and unnecessary. People aren't sheep because they don't want to be eaten by wolves, people are sheep when they do something they don't have a reason to just because everyone else is doing it.
                  2. Adam Coston 10 january 2014, 22:54 # 0
                    Honestly whats wrong with pvp toggle lol daoc is sounding like trash same trash matt designed what a friggen idiotic arsehole well a wow version would have worked cant exactly pvp people who dont want to if theirs a toggle button I always left em alone oh well I think this game will suck
                    1. Adam Coston 10 january 2014, 23:04 # 0
                      And to above asshole this is why people like your butt buddy matt designed games like this b4 wow ended we used to cc rape noobs like you wait till your your traitor ass gets whooped and you rage quit thats why matt feels the need said above people have been raped repeatedly and understand dont touch the pvp button unless your ready to get hurt this game will undoubtedly end quickly if it survives launch he was the wrong person for the job
                      1. Nick Woodbury 12 january 2014, 23:17 # 0
                        What happens when you die in PvP? Do you have to start all over, or do you just lose gold, or what?
                        1. Luzarius Live 10 february 2014, 01:49 # 0
                          Adam, that's the spirit! See the controversy I created by simply talking about open PVP? If ESO had an open PVP server we could meet on the battlefield and SETTLE THIS DISPUTE, winner takes the losers loot.

                          Nick, from what I've read after you die in PVP you are graciously and harmoniously resurrected right where you die. Then you and your enemy sit down on summoned chairs with a summoned table with a pot of hot tea waiting for you. Don't worry, no one else can attack you since you and your enemy get a generated bubble around you. You guys can chat about the fight you just had and discuss the best places for raiding an acquiring gear that has a 0.0000002% chance of dropping.

                          The nice thing about ESO PVP is that you can go afk because you're not risking the loss of anything so who cares? Go grab a pot of coffee. If you die, you lose nothing. It's just like WOW, PVP doesn't matter since there is no risk of loss.
                          1. Bruce Greene 13 february 2014, 21:26 # 0
                            To Adam, and Luzarius: You both are unbelievably ignorant. It literally pains me to even read Adams entries… Anyway, there is open world PvP, it's held in the largest zone in the game, Cyrodiil.

                            You want PvP looting? Go play Mortal Online, where ppl run around naked so they don't lose their precious gear. There are rewards for PvP, it's a ranking system. Everyone will be able to see the top of each class, which I can assure won't be either of you since you can barely throw together a full sentence, let alone comprehend how to effectively use your skills in PvP.

                            Also, where do you get your information Luzarius the wise? «You graciously and harmoniously resurrected right where you die.» No. Just, no. Chalk that under another one of your ignorant claims that's been fabricated from, oh… I don't know, someone like Adam with the uncanny intellectual wit that prevents him from using a single period in the jumble of words that he calls a paragraph.

                            In other words, go do some damn research before you start complaining about features that have been completely fabricated by your own superior intelligence.
                            1. Antti Nurminen 14 march 2014, 01:37 # +1
                              Hey! I agree that the posts were a bit straight forward from luzarius and adam. But they arent that wrong either. Dying in eso pvp seems like its not a big of a deal.

                              If you like really competitive, very skillbased pvp where loot matters (full loot), but people arent going on naked all the time either (cause you really cant do shit like that usually :P) and you really can have some true adrenaline rushing through you when you win a really close fight and get to loot EVERYTHING (full loot) from the enemy players you should turn to Darkfall: Unholy Wars the best mmo sandbox (and mmo) ive played ever.

                              Would do alot if there was loot/items/resources/gold/special stuff available in cyrodiil pvp area that you would leave on your corpse if you died. In Age of Conan the system on hardcore servers was kinda nice hybrid where all inventory stuff you looted etc remained on the corpse and you also had a slight chance to drop an item you wear when you die. Also Lineage 2 had a nice system where pk players with karma and over 5 kills on overall record of their character stats had also a chance to drop equipped items.

                              To have real feelings of success via your gameplay skills needs to have some real insentive when you kill a player, not just some «pvp currency». Usually that means a total new approach on the game item creation and aquiring mechanics as well. Just like in Darkfall UW, items degrade over time, but the top ranked items give you more power and protection and are more expensive to acquire witch makes it worth while wearing them, loosing them or looting them. All items in DFUW are player made and it drives the economy to be playerbased totally. Constant degrading and loosing stuff also puts you to a position where getting materials to make stuff feels like you actually HAVE something. Something worth a value you can have weighted in gold to sell, trade, get to be the richest guy in the server or what ever. Some players just do some pve or harvesting just to trade and get gold to buy gear for pvp. Sandbox, true sandbox ;D

                              Just my honest opinion tho, sorry if my message is too messed Im quite tired and just wanted to post something to your message fast :)

                              Hope you like ESO and I think I would also like it for atleast month or maybe even two, but as the initial price is so high atm I have to wait a bit.

                              Cheers!
                          2. Bruce Greene 13 february 2014, 21:36 # -1
                            Oh, and Cesar, the information is available to nullify your statement as well… Sadly, you can level/quest to 50 without ever stepping foot in Cyrodiil. Which sucks, because oh how do I love ganking the innocent as they frolic about their quests.
                            1. Luzarius Live 16 february 2014, 08:46 # 0
                              Okay, time to step outside of what I did.

                              For those who play world of warcraft let me define conflict for you:

                              ;strong disagreement between people, groups, etc., that results in often angry argument

                              Now let's review:

                              I started a controversial topic that resulted in «conflict». There is «conflict between me and Adam, but then we had another person named BRUCE address both me and Adam as if he was going to rise above us. That is a threat.

                              Normally in a real MMO (darkfall, uo, ac darktide, shadowbane) I would immediately appeal to Adam with a private message:

                              Adam, let's put our differences aside and slaughter Bruce and any one of his clan mates, let's bring them to their knees for trying to intercept a conflict between us.

                              If Adam agrees then Bruce you are now severely outnumbered, what will you do?

                              **… The above is what REAL mmorpgs are all about with players serving roles as „guard“, „bandit“, „king“, „captain“, „resource gatherer“, etc. **

                              Do you see how fun this can be? MMORPGS died a long time ago, now there are just massive multiplayer single player games like WOW, Everquest, WOW, EVerquest and WOW of course and don't foroget WOW!

                              Have fun collecting 10 sacks of grain for 100 exp. Have fun maxing out to level 50 then quitting the game. Have fun grinding for a 0.00000000000000000004% chance of getting that epic loot.
                              1. Thinus Barnard 17 february 2014, 01:52 # +1
                                No, it is not fun and it is not a «real» MMO. Your average hardcore PvPer is only interested in tearing down, griefing and gloating over the tears of his victims because there is no consequences for their actions.

                                What are you going to do them? Take their stuff? First rule of free looting is to only wear what you are prepared to lose.

                                Blacklist their characters? Usually griefing is done on alt characters or accounts and they simply delete those and create new ones once their reputation becomes a handicap.

                                It is only fun for the griefer and they never take on anything where the odds are not vastly in their favor.

                                Player serving the role of guard? Wow, how exciting. I'll just stand around all day… guarding.
                                Resource gatherer? How stimulating.
                                Bandit? Suppose it is fun for those drawn to it.
                                King? There can be only a few. Good luck becoming the king. And what does he do? Orders guards and captains around?
                                Captain? What? Lets go chase down that pesky bothersome bandits squad!

                                Yes, you are right, that sounds so much more exciting *rolls eyes*. Go play darkfall if it is so great.
                                1. Antti Nurminen 14 march 2014, 01:39 # 0
                                  And hey you Luzarius, sounds like you are made for a game like Darkfall Unholy wars :) check it out if you havent. If you ever start on EU server pm the leader or anyone from a clan called Bad Pirates and we help you out to set you on a right path in the game (unfortunately the tutorial is fucked up and useless teaching you to play the game completely wrong).

                                2. Bruce G 17 february 2014, 01:06 # 0
                                  What you fail to realize, as does everyone else, what you just explained as a REAL mmorpg is controlled by the players. The games give you the tools, but it all boils down to the players controlling exactly how REAL a game can be.

                                  Yes, it would take lots of organizational effort, but it COULD be done.

                                  Faction A hates faction B. Faction B hates Faction C. Faction C hates faction A, but hates faction B even more, what's stopping the leaders of these factions (C and A) from forming an alliance and crushing faction B? The players. Only the players.

                                  And you want REAL? Well, real can only be simulated to an extent. If you wanted REAL, well… the devs could impliment a «real» training system (leveling system) where you stand around and spar with your guildmates all day long, day in, day out and shoot arrows at targets to gain your experience. Because that's what warriors did (and still do) to train for combat. But how lame would that be? Instead, they offer a way to at least have fun while your training (leveling) to become a great warrior in the form of quest. Makes sense if you ask me.
                                  1. Thinus Barnard 17 february 2014, 02:02 # 0
                                    We don't fail to realize it. Go look at all the games that tried it with EvE probably the most successful of them all. Small niche games for people who are happy to log in, get camped, log off and play some other character or watch tv. Log back in an hour later and maybe do some stuff till more griefers show up.

                                    Fun? Only if you are part of the controlling group.
                                  2. Bruce G 17 february 2014, 15:50 # 0
                                    I'm unsure of what you're even trying to argue at this point… Seems to me like you just dislike MMO's, particularly ones that offer open world PvP.

                                    1. Bruce G 17 february 2014, 16:28 # 0
                                      But, you do mention «greifers» and «campers» and how that stuff sucks, but you also want reality in a game. Okay, so would you wonder off by yourself into a hostile area when you're in a time of war? No. You wouldn't… So why should you be able to do so in-game and not risk your life?

                                      Just as in real life, safety is in numbers. So, stick with groups of ppl… or, stay hidden. It's simple. No guild members/friends on? Simple, stay out of the hostile areas orrrr risk your life.

                                      Simply put, in a PvP allowed game, you choose to risk your characters life when you wonder into areas that allow PvP. No amount of tears will change that. If that is too much for you, Skyrim is that way --->

                                      And if your virtual nuts are big enough, I'll see you on the battle field.
                                      1. Jesse Amador 26 february 2014, 02:16 # 0
                                        OK just my 2 cents… aside from agreeing with Luzarius Live 100% because there is no reason to kill some one if there is no TRUE REWARD!!! And trust me ignorant 10yr old tard bags would not spawn kill anyone if there was full loot. They would be naked rage quitting ad talking shit, but back on topic!!!

                                        Of all things ESO did right they dropped the ball with their loot system. If there was any MMO out there that should have been what u see is what u FREAKING GET is ESO. Since they have a whole 4 previous games that worked that way.

                                        1. With the crafting system the game has; 2. The enchant system I do not see why «what u see is what u get» is not possible. And I have to kill a «mud crab» and get a %^*& great Axe off the corpse I mean really!!!

                                        No I want to be able to run into a guy in full ebony and pry it off his dead fingers, bank it and have an extra set for when I die.

                                        And no I would not run around naked; cause its very freaking simple you kill more than you die and you have sets upon sets of gear waiting for you. The extra crap u do not use, well sell it and make millions.

                                        Baddies can stay in the none pvp area or go farm iron to make yet another set for me to add to my collection of rez bags. Also that would so help with the endless respawn and run back to the keep before it goes down. If u die u basically die and well now u have to find a bank and put on gear and get back and well lil more realistic lil more TES like screw hard core screw pvp its the way TES was in TES 1-2-3-4 now they sell out and make it «mud crabs» with great axe for loot. Really form where their ass!!?!?!?!? if u find a way to realistically put a great axe in a mud crab u answer this comment if not agree with the undeniable. FULL LOOT would not only bring more TES to ESO and FAR FAR More players.

                                        And notice what he said make a server true pvp he did not ask to be placed with the care bears who do not like to pvp he asked for a whole new server with like minded people and trust me you would join it after the reviews. After what gets out from the true alliances and politics and the actual mature community that is the PVPer.

                                        By the way MAGIC bane runs better than SB EMU for all you who still love the good old SB!!! And ESO could kill that if ESO placed a few lines a code and a server.
                                        1. Antti Nurminen 14 march 2014, 01:43 # 0
                                          Seems like you've atleast played Darkfall or Darkfall UW ;D
                                        2. lambshanks 27 february 2014, 06:29 # 0
                                          As far as the pvp goes how will they counter the massive level differences? If it's only one area how does a level 20 even compete with a level 50? Sorry I've done some reading but I couldn't find anything on how they were going to combat this.
                                          1. Ambuaz 27 february 2014, 07:07 # +1
                                            There is a special system that boosts your main stats (health, magicka and stamina) if your level is lower than 50. So you are almost as strong as your high level opponents. The general difference is that you still have low level gear and don’t have access to all skills.
                                            1. Jesse Amador 17 march 2014, 23:11 # 0
                                              To add to this ur armour and resists even naked is 700 850 so it makes u preaty much same as them the only diference is that ur gear has any bonuses to armour magica etc that is useless cause they already made u capped kinda. while a lvl 50+ does get all his gear bonuses plus better Pots enchants etc.
                                          2. Paul Rone-Clarke 27 february 2014, 19:05 # +1
                                            Why is it «We don't get it» when you guys talk about full loot PvP and «the good old days?
                                            Why is it that „the old days were better“ when we have no AH?

                                            We do you know — many of us where there.
                                            No AH? I was part of Albion in UO 14 odd years ago and we made a permanent (almost) player run auction house because the demand in that game was so great for it.

                                            One of the key features of WoW was dedicated none PvE servers.

                                            How many games have tried to be PvP focussed at launch — and failed — because there aren't the numbers and you „super hard“ (laughs) PvP guys to make it viable. And why is that? Well in my experience you mostly turn out to be gankers, griefers and in-game bullys. A hard core of you that drive other players away in droves… „coz you're so hard-case“ lol

                                            You see… We do get it — we just don't like PvP. It's that simple.

                                            Making a derogatory term for it like „care bear“.

                                            Gosh — you know what? — That's shamed me into wanting to sit and play a game on my PC like a „real man“ — one of your macho, hard, „Bud swillin' “ „leg of lamb on the bone“ gnawing „real men“.

                                            When I move my mouse and press the „W“ key I want to feel macho like you full loot PvP lovers with your reinforced steel keyboards.
                                            I want to sit there like you guys, bashing the keyboard with a huge iron mallet, all while carving tattoos on my arms with a pen knife while I play.

                                            That mentality is like saying
                                            »I'm an Alpha male and you're not because I watch WWE and you watch the news".
                                            Pushing such a fallacious idea as hard as some of you do suggests to me you are all mouth and no trousers.

                                            It's a PC game folks — people wanna play how people wanna play there's nothing «tough guy» about any of it… at all… EVER — no matter how you play.

                                            If you think the way you play a game validates you, or think the way others prefer to play makes you better than them? Seriously? You are so far away from reality you need a telescope attached to a microscope on the end of a pair of binoculars just to see realities outline.

                                            CARE BEAR AND PROUD OF IT.
                                            1. Charl Merwe 04 march 2014, 13:22 # +1
                                              Lol well said Paul, these pathetic grievers can only get their fun from other peoples pain. One day when they realise they have an inferiority complex and actually grow up and join the real world and not have their net worth as a person defined by their domination of other players in an online game, shame.
                                              1. Jesse Amador 17 march 2014, 23:08 # 0
                                                Pliz ur pain means nothing to me lol… every time i pound one of u down instead of nerd rage why dont u try figure out what u did wrong so next time I fight u I enjoy it again and u dont end up like a freaking AI MOB predictable and sad.
                                              2. Jesse Amador 17 march 2014, 23:05 # 0
                                                LOL you dont get it…

                                                What u just said just does not compute. We dont belive we are superior to any one that shit will get u killed. We just want a freaking game challenges player vs player ability. GOD ULTIMATE AI vs GODS ULTIMATE AI. Not some dumb ass mob I can stuck on a corner or wait 3 seconds while he rages and then have some dude taunt him and bash on it and try to get the hiest DPS and jizz jizz all over my keyboard about doing 300 more DPS than the other Guy. SO yea PVE Carebears u are as hard core with ur stupid iron mallet as we are but we want to do it right not against a freaking NPC that is predictable and never changeing.

                                                You can play 30 games in 3yrs and get mabe 3 awsome PVE fights out of each. thats like say mabe 100 awsome fights in 3 yrs. DUMBASS thats my weekend… stop wasting ur time on dumb AI made by men and Play VS the ultimate AI made by GOD.

                                                That is what pvp is!!! Griefers as just dumb noobs who suck at pvp and take it out on lower lvl toons. You will never ever see me doing that; as a mater of fact if I kill u and u use a freaking stone to rez ill emote u a wave and know that I conquered yet another AWSOME god Made equally challenged BOSS of the game.

                                                If you attack me again and want a rematch ill show u who is boss 2x over and try to shame you but dont confuce the griefing Carebear who cant pvp players their own lvl with us PVPers who play for the freaking awsomeness that is to go VS the best BOSS in any game. 10-20-30 times a day and every time diferent. — See more at: elderscrollsonline.info/pvp#_=_
                                              3. Jesse Amador 17 march 2014, 23:03 # 0
                                                Sorry 2x post and yes I played both DF and DFUW. But I have to say best ever pvp small scale UO… large scale SB… hands down.
                                                1. Jesse Amador 17 march 2014, 23:51 # -1
                                                  Bah I was edditing all the HOrros cause english not so good and timer expired.

                                                  Anyways to clarify some things. In pvp games there is many diferent players some pvp, some like to pvp, some hate to pvp, and some suck at pvp and grief.

                                                  To say that we pvpers ruin the game is the most oximoronic thing to ever been said. Why??? most games are actually after realism and to tell you the truth even in a Roleplaying server… I would still rolplay that ass hole bandit after ur credits. Because thats real.

                                                  We do not live in a merypopins world or the matrix where u have agents possessing boddies and insta killing offenders.

                                                  If u wana play that type of game with out pvpers griefers etc. I suggest any of many medieval action Barbie games. You can dress em and fashion shows god knows what else; I dont know mabe u can have a blast in a pasarella on a tavern with some drunken dwarfs and the worst that can happen there, is smak talk about ur design.

                                                  Other than that well. the reason we ask for full loot… is that we want to spend the largest amount of time doing what we like pvp. just like u wana spend ur largest amount of time next to that anvil, furnace what ever it is that makes u pixels, credits, gold gets u a woody. Anyway

                                                  If we spend all of our game time pvping we need a income to get our better gear from you guys. See how that works. Because to us sitting in front of a pc hitting a node for iron, to then go to some furnace to smelt it, and then make a helmet is AWFULFUKEN BORING.

                                                  Also there is alot of people who do enjoy to go out and pick a fight see how good they have become with this new gear they got from u guys see how that works.

                                                  And Finally to tell you the truth I enjoy more beeing killed. Than beating on some one that does not fight back. O.O ur probly saying what!!! Thats BS no one likes to get killed and loose all their shit… bla bla… well

                                                  If I never get beat, my brain never gets to do any work as to how to work around what just happend. And thus I never ever ever will get better. If I join a game and I fight scrubbs all day trust me that is not gona be fun at all, AT ALL!!!

                                                  Plus when I finally fight some one good I will get so freaking PWNED that im gona feel like WTF man. And basically u learn nothing form that eather most the time cause when u get OWNED that hard u cant really figure out where u went wrong.

                                                  Last but not least. We make it so people actually have to go back and rework their way up that stak of iron or what ever; making their game experience longer before the dull ass end game.

                                                  We actually make the games life span longer. To tell you more the only games that have lasted ages decades. UO EVE SB(even comes back with the eye sore of graphics)!!! so the common denominator are all full to partial loot games. Everything else is crap that last 4-6mo goes free to play aka pay to win. and DEAD.

                                                  To get with me in game have a awsome fight or what ever "@necrash" thats my user im in the dominion derp im a rogue and the ominion kinda owns on that and no im not gona move my race to another freaking alliance that is so cheap.

                                                  1. Some Dude Online 30 march 2014, 00:27 # 0
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                                                  2. Alberto Ruggeri 20 march 2014, 10:46 # +1
                                                    I have a question about PvP gameplay.

                                                    A brief introduction:

                                                    I have played Dark Age of Camelot for almost 10 years and I still love that MMO, even if graphics is outdated and game mechanics didn't change much during these years, its basic concepts are solid and enjoyable for both noobs and veterans.

                                                    I preordered ESO because i believe it will be THE MMO for next years and I'm happy that many DAoC concepts were integrated in ESO gameplay, expecially for PvP. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim have been my favourite off-line single player games during the past decade and I can't wait to play the game that seems to be the fusion of those two worlds, plus some good Diablo III-style ability selection management.

                                                    Back to topic:

                                                    Will ESO support any kind of solo-PvP environment, i.e. areas in which grouping is forbidden and thus duels between opposite Alliances members may take place without the risk of getting added or zerged by a train of enemies passing through that zone?

                                                    For example, I'd like to see instanced dungeons in which a player may enter only ungrouped and within that dungeon he will face mobs and, if available, one or two PCs, each from a rival Alliace.

                                                    That would create environments in which solo-oriented PvP playes may challenge similar threats from rival Alliances, eliminating the frustrating disparity of large groups instant-killing single players that adventure PvP areas.

                                                    Limitations might be introduced to avoid PCs of too different levels to face in those solo-PvP instanced dungeons and suitable rewards should be available for the last player standing. The place of a killed enemy might also be taken by another member of the same Alliance, in order to give continuity to the instanced dungeon, not requiring the winning player to exit and getting back in after winning the previous battle (duel).

                                                    It's just an example, but I would really like that solo-PvP oriented playes may find places that support that playstyle. Of course anybody may decide to adventure Cyrodil by their own, but that usually equals to waiting for a looong time before another ungrouped enemy is found, with the risk of getting zerged by a large group of enemies passing through.

                                                    Main PvP gameplay, with massive battles for resources and keeps is an aspect of the game, but I'd really like that small-scale PvP is somehow supported and encouraged.
                                                    1. Ambuaz 20 march 2014, 11:15 # 0
                                                      I also like solo PvP and prefer face to face combat with other player rather than zerg vs zerg. But it seems it’s difficult to find places for solo PvP is ESO. As far as I know there are no such areas like you described. There are public dungeons in Cyrodiil but they are small and I don’t know if it is possible to meet enemy player there.

                                                      I also don’t like the idea that there are no areas for small group PvP. Very often a small group has to fight against 1 player or to escape from large group. Both variants are not interesting at all.
                                                      1. Alberto Ruggeri 20 march 2014, 19:35 # 0
                                                        Too bad, I hope they will introduce something like that in future upgrades.

                                                        In the mean time, I have one more reason to go for a stealthy Nightblade, at least they have a chance of soloing in PvP, or at least getting out of trouble!
                                                    2. Some Dude Online 30 march 2014, 00:33 # +1
                                                      Let's stop being ridiculous here for a second. Full gear might be better at letting PVP players focus on what they love while developing integrated party relationships, but that will obviously detract from the game that Bethesda wanted to make.

                                                      The whole point of the blacksmithing system with the hidden smiths and bonuses coupled with the enchanting mechanics is to provide value to the both professions while simultaneously making the recruiting and defending of crafters important. (I.E. Potentially having to get high value items into Cyrodil to shift battle flow) I will concede the point on one side being op'd after launch, but imo that's a simple fix with some careful strength scaling.

                                                      Bethesda seems to want to inspire people to group up rather than force them, and a full loot system with free-roam PVP would destroy that right off the bat if any group was smart enough to run a sheer numbers monopoly from the start. The game does have many PVE moments that are impossible to defeat without a party, and the game Emperor is obviously only gonna come from the highest ranked guild on the server so PVE, conquering objectives, and PVP are all going to have to be major guild objectives.

                                                      Besides the looting and grouping aspects, the other big argument seems to be about the quality of PVP battles. Besides the guy who self admittedly is pretty conveniently is a rogue in the most op'd faction on his server, the argument basically boils down to «I'm so good at games that I totally know no one is ever gonna be a challenge to me ever, and so with no fear of dying I have no fear of trying» which is not only convoluted, but wrong. The PVP here looks like it's designed to be done in groups against groups and most preferably by faction. If you are strong enough to run around and kill solo players, you're either ganking newbies who just wanna learn, or you're earning....honor points? Which let you get exclusive PVP gear that for the most part is better than the other game stuff? Arguably the distribution rate could be adjusted, but that's not incentive? Yeah defeating enemies and taking their stuff is awesome, but I like the idea fearlessly charging back into battle hoping to win, not fearing the loss of all my PVE stuff and spending days getting it back.

                                                      All I know is that PVP is always a big part of MMO's for me, so with the title of Emperor sitting there for the taking with the possibility of making me a one man killing engine with unstoppable buffs for my team, I'll be focusing on achieving as much in game as I can to earn it. That means joining the best guild I can and doing the PVE parts a lot, but it also means that guild needs to have a heavy presence in Cyrodil, and so will I. I mean this is a pretty well polished bastardized conglomeration of a first person shooter and a third person mmorpg with a pretty unpredictable PVP element for when people really start flooding in, so it's pretty stupid to be so confident that this or that is gonna break the mechanics of the game. I'm fairly confident at the very least Bethesda will have it all covered anyways. Any way it goes down, I'll be in Cyrodil.
                                                      1. Daniel Richardson 26 april 2014, 06:00 # 0
                                                        I played UO back in the 90's. UO had a full loot pvp system but it was controlled. It was very difficult at the start because as soon as you left town you could be killed by anyone, but it was never a really huge problem because they had a reputation system. You had 3 main «statuses» so to speak, blue grey and red. Blue meant if you were killed or stolen from, the offender would change to either red or grey depending on the offence. If you just outright murdered someone you got bad reputation, if you murdered 5 people in a certain amount of time (i think it was 2 days? can't remember) then you became flagged as a murderer and you couldn't enter town without being killed by guards (remember your body is lootable). One you were flagged red as a murderer you could also be killed by any other player without the player receiving a murder count. Stealing would turn you grey for a short amount of time. When you are red/grey you can be killed by anyone without the killer receiving any penalties.

                                                        They should just do this kind of system with ESO in the open world and leave the «faction» battles for Cyrodiil. Obviously killing people from other factions would not be any offence. If a full looting system is too much for people, then they could make it a random piece of armour/weapon.

                                                        In UO it was never really necessary to be a part of a big guild or have protection. You could get around by yourself, you just had to know when to run/recall away! No one would camp because you get too much bad rep, if you can't enter town and bank/buy things like the spell reagents then it was pretty limiting so there weren't huge clans of murderers running around, very often at least.

                                                        I love PvP but I must say it is not something that bothers me a lot if there is or is not a full open loot system. But I do like the idea that I could randomly kill my fellow player at any point.
                                                        1. Donald Smith 12 may 2014, 16:04 # 0
                                                          PVP is my favorite aspect of MMO's but I feel that ESO is unbalanced and caters to the hard core players as of now.

                                                          I would love to see a battleground system that would let you test/play your character in PVP with out worry of instant death by a veteran player after running 5 or so minutes. ( and then rinse and repeating )

                                                          I feel if there were battleground areas this would do two things.

                                                          1) Prevent people from rushing through quests. Allowing players to play casually between PVE and PVP on their own terms and truly soak up the PVE content. I think a lot of people want to play their characters against other real people on more of an equal playing field then the alliance war provides currently. DAOC battleground system would be the best example of this. Areas with a 10 level difference max and a central keep to take or something similar would be ideal for me personally. And of course the battlegrounds would have the feeling of being open which ESO is good at.

                                                          2) This would allow a lot of players to have a deeper relationship with ESO. Right now it is a joke to have a level 10 player or a level 20 or even a level 30 player venture into Cyrodill alone. And the fact that they might be riding with higher levels only means their novice horse will separate them from the higher levels eventually leaving them to get picked off by higher levels praying on stragglers.

                                                          I love the idea of the Alliance War and I wouldn't change a thing about that. But I would implement areas where people under 40 can participate in battlegrounds with players around their same level.

                                                          As of now, I personally feel that I'm just loosing a race and wonder when I will be able to compete in PVP. Of course I work full time but I still manage to play everyday. At level 1-40 I felt no real accomplishment. But ( I hate to make this comparison ) when I played DAOC I had a BLAST! on every battleground and I felt real accomplishment even through lower level PVP. As of now I am just not getting that satisfied feeling from ESO's PVP. I hope this will change soon. Because I feel that ESO has the most potential out of any MMO ever! Also just my opinion but they are getting close to a make or break moment for a lot of PVP fans.

                                                          Thanks for listening :)

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