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Elder Scrolls Online will be Subscription Based!

By: Ambuaz
Elder Scrolls Online is going to use Monthly Subscriotion model. The game will cost $14.9 Forget about F2P or B2P.
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Elder Scrolls Online payment model is finally revealed! Matt Firor has just confirmed that Elder Scrolls Online will be Subscription based!

We're thrilled that gamers are looking forward to diving into The Elder Scrolls Online and we've been working hard to deliver the game that fans want - one that's worthy of the Elder Scrolls name. Choosing the right business model is part of that. We are going with the subscription model for ESO.

Yes guys, not Free to play. The game will offer you 30 days of unlimited play after you purchase the game. To be able to continue you will need to buy a monthly subscription. You will be charged on monthly basis.

How much will ESO cost?

The game will cost $14.9 a month. That’s not the final cost and it may be changed. There will be discounts for purchasing several months at a time. You will also be able to buy a time card.

Payment methods
There will be several ways to purchase the game. I believe MasterCard, Visa and PayPal will be available.

This news can disappoint many ESO fans, but it is the truth. Matt Firor told that the reason they have chosen Subscription is because this model fits TESO.

And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best

Elder Scrolls Online is a huge game where a lot of quests, huge world and interesting gameplay must be available for all players without any exceptions. Everybody should receive the same services and the same game. Every player should have equal access to all content and quality customer support. You can play Elder Scrolls Online and do not worry about being "monetized" in the middle of the game. You pay a fee every month and do not bother about anything. You receive 100% access to all content and features.

Such model also guarantees that new content will be added on regular basis. Matt Firor promised that we will see new content every 4 - 6 weeks. ESO team is already working on the content that will be added after launch.

Comments

  1. Duelist 21 august 2013, 07:29 # +1
    To be honest I expected ESO to be Subscription based. But I thought that the price will be $10 or so. Current ESO price is equal to WOW, but World of Warcraft is an old game and if I buy subscription I know what to expect from the game. As far as I know WOW also allows 2 week trial. I would like to see if ESO worth 14.9 monthly. Give us open beta.
    1. Dmitry Kulakevich 21 august 2013, 19:18 # 0
      Will ESO be on steam market?
      1. Piotr Barczyński 25 august 2013, 13:41 # 0
        I think this game should be a mix of FTP and BTP.
        I mean you would only have to pay once to play a game ( like 30$-45 $) without any subscription. BUT! If you want, you could also buy a:
        — 2x Exp, 3x Exp ( 24 H — 1 $ )
        — No resurection sickness ( if it exsist) ( One week — 2 $)
        — Some extra looking Mount's and Pet's (on the other hand you can't make normal mount's looks extremly stupid) 3$-10$
        — Big bag's to make your inventory bigger, or something that would give's you more carry weight 3 $
        — Another slot for new a character ( when you buy a game and make an account you could make 3 characters or 2, but if you pay like 7 $ you can make 1 character more)

        There is many other small things that player's would pay for, but you have to be careful if you don't want to make another NeverWinter online ( this game suck's). Look at Planet Side 2, this is like one of the best game I ever played. In this game you can find many player's that pay's for some extra skin or exp boost and this game is just getting bigger and bigger.

        As far as I know, World of Warcraft is loosing his player's. So it's a bad example to follow.
        If you really think that making this game for subscribe's is a good idea, you are going to lose many player's.
        Sorry for my language skills
        1. Ankou 27 august 2013, 00:31 # 0
          I posted this in old topic, but here is what I think:

          First off, I have been playing MMORPG, FPS, & RTS(online) games for over 15 years. I have been a gamer for closer to 30 years. Atari baby. Yea, yea, middle aged here. I have played tons of F2P & many pay once(with no Cash Shop) and for expansions. I am personally sick of F2P(with Cash Shop). I find they get stale, boring, and you end up spending more money then you ever would have on a Subscription based game(into the $1,000+ range, I have known many people who have, myself included). Many F2P games sale non vanity items that can ruin a game(PWI for Example).

          I pre-order GW2 within the first hour they started taking pre-orders, but a couple of months after the launch the game became boring & a big disappointment. It just does not have any depth to it. leveling does not mean anything, everyone's gear is the same… kind of not an rpg… more like a fantasy fighter. I rather play Street Fighter or MK

          I Personally think the best model would be so:

          First: You do not have to pay for the game files(CD or DL)

          Second: Lets say they do a pre-order for the game, say $80 to $100, what you are are getting is a year subscription for the game. They could also have a Deluxe or Limited Edition version, They could come with some special exclusive vanity items, maybe some early game items(not end game/high level) and maybe a 2 year subscription, lets say for $150 to $300 for some initial revenue flow.

          Third: If you do not want to pre-order game, have the monthly subscription price discounted for longer periods purchased. 1 month=$15, 3 months=$40, 6 months=$60, 12 months=$100 They can also do special vanity item sales, but make it limited availability for that collectible feel(do them as charity fundraiser events, similar to WoW). Now whether this items should be trade-able in game or not is another debate. I personally do not want to see any item sold(for real cash) that gives a player an advantage over another player, should just be purely vanity items only.

          BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS/LICENSE OWNERS KEEP THE GAME FUN, EVOLVING, ENTERTAINING, AND KEEP THEIR PLAYER BASE ENGAGED!

          It would be nice to play a mmorpg that really stayed true to the «RPG». If they can make ESO a well rounded game I will be happy.

          And ultimately $8-$15 a month is not a lot of money if you do not have to buy the game files and you enjoy the game. You throw away more than that a month on other pointless stuff. for the cost of one movie, 2 starbuck drinks, a couple fast food trips, you name it.

          P.S. I only play on the PC, I no longer play consoles(they really get expensive)

          Also are the XBOX & PlayStation versions going to be tied in with each other and the PC version? Anyone heard?
          1. Duelist 27 august 2013, 02:05 # +1
            As far as I know PC / Mac players will have their own server and will play together. Console players will be housed on separate servers. Devs decided to not to merge all player on one server because PC / Mac and console versions will have different UI and controls. This may cause to technical advantages of one platform owners over another. You will play against (or with) players with the similar platform.
          2. Lloyd James 03 september 2013, 14:09 # 0
            So, that's £54.99 ($90ish) plus PS4 online £5 ($9is) plus £10 just for one month of play and then another £10 every month? That's £70 for one game at launch then another £10. Not only do I have to spend money on the console itself (£349) but I have to buy a brand new TV and the cheapest one that'll support it is £140. That alone puts me in debt. also in the «long run» a free to play model would have generated more money, free to play = more players, more players = more people that will use micro-transactions. I would've rather payed £40 (plus £5 for the PSN) for the game and bought a few things on the store than £55 plus £5 plus £10
            1. Zaylyn Decker 04 september 2013, 19:16 # 0
              so the real question is… whos going to open up the first private serverXD lol for real tho and btw everyone i like that both sides said something on this topic it makes it easier to think bout the pros and cons when other people also post their pros and cons they seeXD good job guys:D
              1. Danial Skytta 17 september 2013, 04:47 # +1
                I was so excited for the release of ESO until this popped up. I was expecting that you would have to buy the game fair enough but a monthly fee is honestly too much. Not to be the an ass but the Elder Scrolls franchise would already have gotten enough revenue if you just put a price tag on the game. I know that my friends who play on console wouldn't mind paying the price but people like me who have a Mac or a PC would much rather play LOL or DOTA for the simple fact that once you have the game, you don't fucking need to pay extra money every single fucking month. I really believe that I have lost faith in the Elder Scrolls franchise. As I said before, I wouldn't mind paying the price to buy the actual game but asking for a subscription fee for the simple reason to «gain more revenue» is honestly an asshole's reasoning.
                1. JazzyPuff 27 november 2013, 14:07 # 0
                  I don't think some actually understand the difference between the «solo» played ES like «skyrim» and the MMO, or MMORPG, like «WoW» or soon to be «ESO». Games like skyrim are tested and created differently and other than the mods you pick up later they require little to no maintenance, they test and release the game and that's that. Which is why the sister corp. Zenimax is being used to help create ESO. MMOs and MMORPGs require consistent maintenance, which is why the subscription is being charged. I personally was hoping for something more $7.99-$10.99, but they do also state they have simply decided to make it subscription and the price is yet to be set in stone. Oh and it's not «an asshole's reasoning»...they have to pay the ppl that maintain the servers, and run the patches, and etc...I mean...would you work on building an awesome game, get paid for it, and then told you have to continue to maintain it without pay? I for one would scream a resounding «Hells No!»
                  1. Katy1030 09 march 2014, 02:45 # +1
                    Their maintenance will definitely not cost us $15 a month. They could more than make profit by asking for half of what they are.

                    No one is suggesting this game won't make money, that would be impossible. I would not be surprised to see over a million subs in the first year. If the game cost $40, and the sub was $5, exponentially more people would be interested in buying it and they would make MORE total money. There is literally no way they could not cover their expenses, and then some. After a certain amount of profit, it's not getting put into making a better game anymore, it's just them lining their company's figurative pockets.

                    Not to mention it really shafts the console players who will be paying that on top of Live/Gold. There is a huge, as of yet untapped player base there in the console players who want a good fantasy MMO and haven't gotten one for their console, however PC gamers may dislike it. To specifically shaft them is not wise.

                    Bad idea. Maybe the only thing that could derail this ESO train would be overmonetizing it, and that's what they're doing. Such a shame.
                    1. DeVante Brown 31 march 2014, 09:35 # 0
                      I totally agree with Katy lol. I mean think about it… $15.00x 1,000,000= 15 million dollars PER MONTH. That's a nice little chunk of change for maintaining servers if ya ask me!!! Haha and I know their workforce can't be THAT big. Plus all of the initial prices ($60.00 or $70.00x1,000,000). That is mad money. With that said, I'm probably gonna wait for some sort of price drop before I buy. Sad to say.
                      1. Katy1030 31 march 2014, 21:11 # 0
                        < — Broke college kid. Like a lot of their most die hard fans, I think.

                        I would LOVE to throw money at them, but I'm waiting on a price drop too. I've never not bought a collector's edition of the TES games, they're probably my favorite franchise… Totally heartbreaking.

                        The game is good, based on the beta. But no game is good enough to justify their pricing model unless it also cleans your house and whitens your teeth in your sleep. And it does have its problems, like all the TES games and I say more than the past ones, it's not like it's perfect or anything.
                2. Pradesh Harripersad 17 september 2013, 08:00 # 0
                  impressive vocabulary…
                  anyways.....I am happy with the direction they are taking this game into, as it is more appealing to me. I have never played any of those F2P mmo's because of reasons that I will not mention because I know a lot of ppl enjoy them, such as some of the posters here that are complaining about the overall cost. The costs that we know of for now is on par with playing World of Warcraft which is affordable and worth paying, if you enjoy it. The same will apply for TESO.....I am definitely going to transfer my $ from wow to TESO simply because I LOVE THE FRANCHISE and I would love it to continue.
                  Some of you need to just chill out and decide on whether or not you like the game enough to promote their chosen business strategy (instead of using foul language and stimulating degenerative feedback).
                  1. Lloyd James 17 september 2013, 08:55 # 0
                    There's nothing wrong with pay to play mmos, sure there are some bad ones, but games that used to be pay to play have gone free to play, WoW put a foot in that particular pool and I'm gonna guess that within the next couple of years they'll eventually just make it free to play, they're already adding microtransactions. And to some that don't have a strong enough computer will have to buy a next gen console just for the game (see my pricing on the ps4 plus game above) I'm gonna mention if I haven't already, I don't blame Bethesda for my lack of being able to upgrade my laptop but still, that's what I'd have to pay if I wanted to play the game. Again, I'd rather get something from some kind of micro transaction store, like an expansion pack; or a vanity item once in a while, which I have done with other free to play games, I'd probably spend more on the micro transaction store every month than a set £10 (plus £5 PSN fee)
                  2. Michael Cameron 17 september 2013, 21:45 # 0
                    I don't know how or why the f2p market got to be such a hot market. I am a developer myself I know those servers are expensive and then paying the developers to make the great content you enjoy. When a company puts a game to f2p they slim down servers reduce developers thus decreases new content rate and it sits there to be keep the servers running small updates and high gains are given to a new project. If u cant afford the 15 then they are not looking at you as their demographic. simply put pay for what you enjoy. Think about your car or house sure you can take the bus for a dollar and not need to pay the car premium ins monthly. Ive proidly paid for ultima online everquest wow and many others

                    Anyway sorry for my rambling just wanted to put my thoughts down on this
                    1. Ronald Puckett 19 september 2013, 16:22 # 0
                      While i half expected this to be the model for this game I am also really upset. I so wish that more games would follow the example of guild wars two with the B2P model, you make the initial money from the purchase and if the micro transactions are worth it and the game is good im sure many people would have no problem with buying the game, i know i wouldnt but now that it is subscription based odds are im not gonna get the chance to play this game even though ive been waiting so long for it and have been so excited for it. Personally i dont see the sense in making your game p2p after seeing the failure of star wars the old republic tera and rift which were all supposed to be fantastic games that were forced to go from p2p to f2p guild wars 2 will most likley never go f2p because theres no subscription and a lot of people have no issue buying a game once. Sorry for the long comment but this really upset me because now im either not going to get to play this game or im gonna have to chose this over the one subscription game i play at a time, wether it be WoW or FFXIV
                      1. Асен Мерджанов 21 september 2013, 04:33 # 0
                        I am so disappointed to hear that this game is going to have a monthly fee… I was really optimistic that the developers might not be as greedy as everyone else. Guess I was wrong. For people in the USA 15$ is nothing, yes, but what about people in Bulgaria? I hope they rethink it and make the game Buy once and never pay more. Unlikely though…
                        1. Lauri Uuniemi 29 october 2013, 09:25 # 0
                          THX Zenimax, you have at least one less buyer ^^
                          1. Austin Warianek 06 november 2013, 16:50 # 0
                            best thing i heard all day, lets hope it will catch my attention, i am a hardcore pvp player so if this does better than wow i will be happy
                            1. Zachary Walters 20 november 2013, 11:12 # 0
                              If you have any sense, you will drop the subscription fee to $10 at most. No MMO outside of WoW ha been able to keep a steady playerbase with a subscription fee for $15. Please, learn from their mistakes, and make it a bit more affordable. Don't kill the game I've been wanting ever since Morrowind.
                              1. Maxwell Sisak 21 november 2013, 02:59 # 0
                                I am happy this game is coming out like this, getting real tired of Blizzard and their bull and ready to play something new.
                                1. Charles Cotten 22 november 2013, 21:58 # 0
                                  Why is eso cost 14.9 try to make it 10
                                  Also make a way to buy the whole game costing $60 or $50
                                  1. Jaymes Lowe 29 november 2013, 00:04 # 0
                                    At the pre-order cost of $100 I am now not willing to play my most anticipated ps4 title.
                                    1. Duelist 29 november 2013, 00:41 # +1
                                      Pre-order price of Elder Scrolls Online for any platform (PC, Xbox and PS) is $59,99
                                    2. Jaymes Lowe 29 november 2013, 04:02 # 0
                                      Yeah I am in Australia… should've mentioned that.
                                      1. David Patterson 30 november 2013, 20:43 # 0
                                        I most definitely think that The Elder Scrolls Online Should have a smaller subscription fee because if they can make a game that is worth playing then people will play it long enough to make up for what money they would have gotten from a larger subscription fee. I think that $8-$12 would be much more manageable then $15. Because this is in addition to the $5 a month fee for Xbox One players.
                                        1. Megan Michele 01 december 2013, 04:03 # 0
                                          Wait so what happens if you don't like the game at all can we return it, because if i can't play it by itself offline and if I don't like it online what do it do with it… some reason i have a feeling people will have a disk just sitting around… or is there a downloadable version so i can get a feel for it first like WOW…
                                          1. Duelist 01 december 2013, 11:57 # +1
                                            As far as I know there are no plans to provide downloadable version. Developers said that anyone will be able to try the game during Open Beta.
                                          2. Wakana Smith 02 december 2013, 11:01 # 0
                                            I do have a question...you spend $60 to preorder and get a month, yet a month is only $14.9
                                            I am obviously missing something very simple here but why not just wait til it come out then spend the $14.9?
                                            1. Duelist 02 december 2013, 11:20 # 0
                                              Pre-order is just an option for fans. The game itself costs $59.99 regardless any other options. The price will not be changed after the release. And when you purchase the game you receive 1 month of game time for free (it's like a bonus).

                                              WOW has very similar system — you need to purchase the game first in order to play.
                                            2. Wakana Smith 02 december 2013, 11:26 # 0
                                              ah I see thanks. Knew it was something simple. I've never played a game like this (console gal myself) so didn't realize you had to buy the game then pay an extra fee each month to play the game. For some reason thought you'd simply pay to play.
                                              1. Dom Samiam 03 december 2013, 16:31 # 0
                                                I am now less excited for the game and this new itself ruin my good day. I would have pay 120$ just to play forever free or 5$ per month. Oh well, one less player online.
                                                1. Mike Paegel 08 december 2013, 04:32 # 0
                                                  For people who complain about the subscription fee, are you stupid?
                                                  A. For the guy who talks about LOL and such, those games are bland games that never really expand to any degree of notability, a few characters here a new map there blah blah. They aren't MMORPG, games that are constantly having to update change add new content move forward and keep growing, in order to keep adding on you have to have more money that's just simple facts, so a buy one time thing is just out of the question and the only reason LOL and such can do it is because they are a base game that doesn't grow, it gets periodical small additions but nothing on the scale of an MMORPG.
                                                  B. As for the person who says «WOW is losing players and it's subscription based» You fail to realize it was also the most popular mmo for a longer period of time than any other MMO that has been ever released, seriously, it has been more successful than any other american MMO.
                                                  C. As for micro transactions, I completely agree with what Matt Firor says in this article, the game should be fully accessible to ALL players who play the game, it's Elder Scrolls FFS, a franchise that has always been noted for being about freedom of play and if you think that you should hit a wall that says «Pay 5$ to pass» or not have plenty of characters to freestyle with, without having to pay more for each one then you fail to realize what Elder Scrolls is all about.
                                                  D. for those of you trying to calculate the cost at the games drop, counting in the Playstation plus/xbox live subscription isn't really fair, or the cost of the console. You chose to play it on console over PC in the first place so the added cost is on you. As well, counting a month in the purchase is also not really right, cause like EVERY Subscription based game it will more than likely come with a free month, no scratch that, this article clearly states it WILL come with the first month. So for first day expense your just paying for the game.
                                                  E. for those of you who complain about the cost of 15 bucks per month (Which it pretty much is) Note that this is the STANDARD subscription fee for more than 90% of the subscription based games, you name it, RIFT(Before it went F2P), TOR(still consider it subscription cause the F2P is worthless), WoW, The Secret World (Also before it went F2P). And as for those games that eventually went f2p they just kept losing players cause they felt the money was going nowhere, updates were too far inbetween and only rarely worthwhile.

                                                  With ESO's promise to be bringing updates practically every two months and being that Bethesda is behind it (who I believe has never released a bad expansion/content update, even Hearthfire I enjoyed.) Then I think the updates will be of actual quality and not just rush job updates meant to force interest on players (Like some of the Guild Wars 2 monthly updates that come out.)
                                                  1. Sienna Queen 13 january 2014, 08:49 # 0
                                                    I completely agree
                                                  2. Samantha Nicholson 09 december 2013, 16:02 # +1
                                                    Holy shit. Do they think rich people are playing?!!??!!? Way to go, and to think I was really looking forward to this game. I'm a college student. There's no way in HELL that I could afford $15 a month AFTER paying $60. I hope people are right when they say that the price will go down, because that price is ridiculous.
                                                    1. apple.snowsong 20 february 2014, 14:10 # 0
                                                      Yes, I am a student too. At the top of the page, it now says there will be discounts for purchasing several months at a time or that people will also be able to buy a time card? :) I would really like to hear more about these additional payment options and will these options also be available for people who pre-order before release? I am a student on tight income too, but i totally love Elder Scrolls. I have some other friends who want to pre-order right now too, but they are scared off because they do not understand what happens if they cannot pay the 14.99 one month in the future, and about how they subscription binds them or not and in what ways? Is this 'subscription' like a strict contract like a T.V. cable or dish subscription with late fees and ruined credit if you miss payment, or more like a no-contract pay-as-you-go pre-paid phone type set-up, where you can skip a month and then pick back up where you left off without punishment, if something goes wrong for you? Can you switch from subscription to time-cards later, or are you bound to one type of payment method? Can people who pre-order now, still get the discount for buying several months at once? Knowing all this will make a big difference to many people, especially students or fixed-income adults. Besides students, there are also nearly housebound disabled adults who play games on fixed incomes that make up a large portion of the gaming community, from what I have gathered. This helps keep then mentally and socially active to have online gaming friends too. Students have some months they cannot play as much, like at exams time, but will pay anyway if it is not out-of-reach. Not everybody who plays games has both unlimited time and money as a few seem to think, so there is no use judging them. They will get it if they can reach it. People may spend more for Elder Scrolls titles, (even if not rich), but need to know more of what they are getting into for later — as this aspect of the ongoing payments for MMO is new to much of the Elder Scrolls series fan-base. Where can we find out more about these other payment options for those who want to pre-order now, but do not have enough information about what the ongoing payment requirements entail — to make that leap now? Is there a link they can go to, to learn more about these additional payment options or what if any contract is involved; if they want to pre-order this week? :)
                                                      1. apple.snowsong 20 february 2014, 18:34 # 0
                                                        I found this link to the Time Card information which is good news, but it does not say how much of a discount purchasing multiple months at a time will give you yet. Also before pre-ordering this game, I have several people wondering if it requires a binding contract for the monthly subscription at the 14.99 a month rate or if it can be monthly pay-as-you-go without monetary penalties for any skipped months, like prepaid phones are? Is there a binding contract to pay the subscription fee for a certain length of time in order to begin using this game, or is it contract-free as in when you are unable to pay a month are you simply unable to play multi-player (or at all) until you do pay for another month, or in other words until you buy more time by paying the 14.99 or with a new time-card?

                                                        ESO Time Card INFO
                                                        elderscrollsonline.info/game-time-card
                                                        1. Ambuaz 20 february 2014, 18:44 # 0
                                                          There is little information about Time Cards and subscription. Once we know more, we will update the article.

                                                          I think there will be pay-as-you-go system without any penalties and contracts. If you want to play – you pay the fee. The minimum period of game time you can purchase is 1 month and I think that you can purchase 1 month, then skip next 2 and return to the game without any extra payments. It is impossible to play ESO as a single player game — you need to be connected to server in order to play.
                                                          1. apple.snowsong 25 february 2014, 18:25 # 0
                                                            Oh Wow! That's great news! Thank you so much Ambuaz. :) This pay-as-you-go system without any penalties and contracts, makes it so much better to spend the money, since we know it can not get us in any financial trouble down the line. I feel much more secure about the new subscription system if that's how it will be. I am so glad to hear this! :)
                                                    2. Benton Hissong 11 december 2013, 20:29 # 0
                                                      This is definitely a bad idea this game is doomed to fail you can expect people to pay for that there may not be segnificant content change since everyone can be any class its gonna fail like Star Wars did and how WoW is slowly dying from people arent going to pay when things are slow and then everyone will move back to free to plays who show promising content in future
                                                      1. Chaz Atlanta 12 december 2013, 09:17 # 0
                                                        I have seen this happen time and time again. Most big MMO's like LOTRO and Star wars TOR all started out with a sub based service then switched to a F2P model after their sub numbers never reached goals. Those games become stronger after they make that switch. Look at star trek online, the entire game is available for free and it is a good MMO. Some models it works. WOW, eve online. Although EVO is technically F2P with PLEX. Yes those games need to have a sub because that is what the customers demand.
                                                        For this game? No. I am not going to pay 59.99 + 15/month to play a game I may not even like.
                                                        I am not sure when developers are going to realize that you will make more money using an F2P model with micro-transactions than trying to squeeze some money out of a pay and play model. It doesn't work in this economic environment.
                                                        Before you question my experience I used to work in the industry for many years and have been a part of some of the most highly recognizable games in the industry. I have been touting the F2P open source model for some time and got hammered, spit on, and ridiculed for it. Which is why I don't work in that business anymore.
                                                        Unfortunately, you have allot of leadership in the game industry that is hard line atari folks from the 80's trying to pound their model into the industry with every game. Make a game, let it sell then use that template for the next 10 years with the same content just a few updates.

                                                        I don't have to play Elder scrolls right when it comes out, Skyrim is a heck of a game on its own. I can wait till it turns F2P and then play it for free after all the bugs are worked out.
                                                        1. Gabe Kribs 13 december 2013, 11:04 # 0
                                                          I do agree that ESO should be sub based but keeping it at the standerd sub price will limit its availability to more casual gamers such as myself. I think the the best way to solve this problems is to either A. lower the sub price to about $7 per month or B. make a f2p option with enough restrictions that it leaves them wanting more, and with enough access that they keep coming back.
                                                          1. Brett Piva 15 december 2013, 08:17 # +1
                                                            BOOOO
                                                            I'll never understand how people can willingly pay $225 in the first year ($60 up front with $15*11months) for a video game. This news seriously disappointed me. I loved how Skyrim played and I got so pumped up about how I'd get to play a game like that with some friends. I just hope the private servers open up soon.
                                                            1. Matt Foster 17 december 2013, 20:32 # 0
                                                              I don't mind paying 15 bucks a month for a game as long as it blows my mind as much as the elder scrolls did I really have no desire to play any other game now I've enjoyed playing through skyrim over and over at different difficulties for the last couple years and I'm still finding new things in the game If they could do that with an MMO I'm in for the long haul!!!
                                                              1. Joshua Petrushevsky 18 december 2013, 14:12 # 0
                                                                I personally think that a a sub payment is cool but cant i pay like annually or even if its monthly lik 8-10$ a month like 15 bucks they will bleed me dry also they gotta think not everyone has money becuase half of the people that will play will most likely be in high school and college/uni so money would be hard to come by… i personnaly think a 60-80$ annual payment would be cool
                                                                1. apple.snowsong 20 february 2014, 12:57 # 0
                                                                  I agree. Yes, I am a student too, so although I want to play this so much I am worried that I could not justify over $100 a year in fees for a game even though I am a die-hard Elder Scrolls games fan. As a student I am poor so I would rather play games than pay for subscription T.V. or even going out to eat. In fact Elder Scrolls is the only type of game I would consider paying extra for after purchase. My phone is prepaid pay-as-you go, so that if I do not need it or can't pay it one month because I have to go to a doctor or something unexpected, I will not get late charges or have my credit ruined. I can just turn the pay-as-u-go phone back on when I get the money. It would be better if ESO was a flat $100 a year to play ESO or under $10. a month at least, and if you can't pay one month, then you just cannot play till you pay for a new month, but no late fees. That's what I am wondering about, what happens if one month I cannot pay the 14.99 plus tax? Will it hit my account with late fees and bill me the whole year at once and ruin my credit like a T.V. service would, or will I simply not be able to play that month? This will make a big difference in my decision, because I cannot afford to go into debt if something goes wrong one month. I really want this game so much but I am scared that it is just too much for a student, if I get an additional $15 a month debt for it, which is $180 a year (even on PC) for something that is not claimable as an absolute living necessity, and then one month I cannot afford to play it. People talk about it being the price of a movie, but many students in USA cannot afford going out to movies every month either. It is not that I do not think it is worth more than other games or do not love Elder Scrolls, because I do love Elder Scrolls. I actually think the creativity of this game is good for the mind. Like many students, I just have to survive on meager funds while in school. I am an orphan, but many students without rich or generous parents will have this problem that it becomes out-of-reach. What about if it could have a year student-discount pass, or six month student discount pass at a set rate? Many more students could then buy or get this as Christmas or Birthday present, instead of getting other new games for gifts. Just an idea. :)
                                                                2. Nathanael Lynn 02 january 2014, 06:31 # 0
                                                                  Disappointed to hear this will be a subscription based game. I really enjoyed WOW, I won a copy of the main game, plus the expansions and one year of subscription in a sales competition at one of my old jobs. (My boss at the time also owned a game store called 3D Games, similar to Gamestop) Financially I couldn't afford to keep playing it. I already pay for XBOX LIVE. I really LOVE TES Games… Kind of like I wished with WOW. I don't care if I can play with 1000 people or not. I would love to be able to play the game in an offline mode or something… like link my friends and I together like Halo does. BUT, I know MMOs are a lot more complicated than that.
                                                                  To the point. The game looks AMAZING! Maybe I'll get it for PC and cancel both my XBOX LIVE and Netflix accounts so that I can justify the fee.
                                                                  1. Eric Seaman 05 january 2014, 00:24 # 0
                                                                    Personal opinion ESO should stay ptp the reason why is to make the game universally fair for everyone think of what comes with ftp. You get an item mall persay with that comes xp items and people pretty much buying their toons instead of actually playing the game. Look at how successful FF online was and still is it's a great game PTP and people played it on Xbox and play station with monthly subscription and paying to use the online for the console. Go to any FTP MMO and try to find a real gamer.

                                                                    That's my rant. Ty
                                                                    1. Joe Wingle 17 july 2014, 21:48 # 0
                                                                      I half agree. FTP is usually pay to win. But subscription based?!?! REALLY!?! The Elder Scrolls was great the way it was, now they're becoming like Blizzard, makes great games, yet makes them overpriced as heck.
                                                                    2. Pedro Cantarero Guerrero 08 january 2014, 09:35 # 0
                                                                      hahahahahhahah FREE TO PLAY in 3...2....1…
                                                                      1. Tarık Özkazanç 10 january 2014, 17:51 # 0
                                                                        I understand and personally like that it is Subscription Based, maybe it should be just a bit cheaper, but why the $59,99 to buy the game :/
                                                                        1. Harley Flammia 11 january 2014, 15:50 # 0
                                                                          I love how people post all their thoughts here like Bethesda is going to read one of the comments and change their mind. They've decided to go with PTP and it's a final decision. If you can't afford it go get a better job and stop complaining.
                                                                          1. Anthony Mancuso 13 january 2014, 01:25 # 0
                                                                            What awful decision, in 2 years it will become F2P for lack of serious players lol At a lower price or the manner of Guild Wars 2 would destroy the market of WoW. Shame Zenimax
                                                                            1. Sienna Queen 13 january 2014, 09:16 # 0
                                                                              seems people aren't able to calculate basic math and realize who is making ESO. I mean Megaserver maintenance is not cheap. Also the number of staff needed for Tamriel…

                                                                              If dedicated fans spent a dollar a day on this game then got refunded $135 at the end of the year, i could almost guarantee they would have a smile on their face.

                                                                              All this means is i cant be a fatty and buy a candy everyday but instead enjoy a franchise that has done nothing buy inspire awe. Alcoholics or college kids just need to sacrifice a 36 pack a month! Shame shame…

                                                                              I suppose now there will be REAL players on the game. No fear of noobish antics on this game that truly strives to make all players equal. I mean have you all read about how the massive PvP battles work? I am astounded already!

                                                                              Also before anyone posts how expensive this is then please think about your own monthly expenses and just base your entertainment on hours, i for one am going to play this game faaaar more than 225 hours which would be an equivalent to a dollar an hour. I also like that even if i did play a dollar an hour, i would be playing new content every hour with the core game as of now (no updates/patches) seeing that the game already has, i quote, " hundreds and hundreds of hours of gameplay."

                                                                              Now just ask yourself if its worth it, because we all know that when we buy console game and like them we squeeze that $60 so its worth twice as much in time. I know I'm going to be able to squeeze more than 450 hours this year on that game for sure, can you? An hour and a half every day doesn't sound too bad to me…

                                                                              They are going to make a lot of money if just the Beta Signup players stay on, i mean 2 million beta signups! What is that roughly like $450 million dollars in the first year from the beta signers

                                                                              With this ranting done I would just like to solidify my opinion that this is going to be an amazing and WORTHY game. I mean there is so much lore in Skyrim and Oblivion alone to last me 4+ years image what this ever changing mmo will provide.
                                                                              1. Loswaith 30 january 2014, 04:13 # 0
                                                                                One thing allot of people are forgetting is that at about $15 USD is that for a typical MMORPG is that they can easilly get 100,000 subscribers (a very small userbase for any MMO). Thats an earning of 1.5 million USD a month (some basic maths). Even if you take into account server maintenance, wages and development costs, the expences are unlikely to get anywhere near that. Realistically subscription numbers are going to be more like 500,000+ for TESO.

                                                                                TESO could happily get away with a $5 USD subscription. Even at $5 a month subscription, realistically TESO is going the be earning a minimum of 2.5 million USD per month with a 500,000 member user base.
                                                                                1. Sienna Queen 31 january 2014, 06:34 # 0
                                                                                  elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Equillibrium/The_Math_Behind_Subscription_Fee's.

                                                                                  please read this link and realize that its basic economics to turn a maximum profit. Put yourself in their shoes and tell me you will do what they did for minimum wage with extremely low tech equipment and minimal staff. Then remember its ZeniMax who obviously doesn't do that lol.
                                                                                  1. Loswaith 01 february 2014, 13:49 # 0
                                                                                    While if you read that carefully thats over the course of 2 years not a single month.
                                                                                    Say the game sells for $50 USD (typical price for a stand alone game), for just 100,000 sales thats 5 million dollars.

                                                                                    More realistically (being conservative) it will be 500,000+ initial members so 25 million USD before subscriptions are even taken into account. If you dont think that can cover the costs of development and turn a good profit on top, then why are many gaming companies making games. (Not to mention Bethesda/Zenimax even getting to the point and not having gone bankrupt just making any one of the previous games follows this pre subscription model).

                                                                                    Even if they have 100 staff being paid an average of 100k USD a year (unlikely the average will be anywhere near that), thats still only 10 million a year (wages are usualy the largest expence).
                                                                                    Now lets presume $5 USD a month and a userbase of 500k thats still an earning of 30 million USD a year. (realistically at $5USD a month, everyone would be supprised if TESO doesnt get 2-3 million users, given TES's popularity)
                                                                                    Lets say entire expences are 15 million a year (1.5 times the wages for the TESO project), thats still some 15 million net profit, and every subscription after that point is mostly additional profit.

                                                                                    I'm not saying they should have subscription at $5. I'm simply saying they can get away with it and still turn a good profit and likely end up with a much larger userbase in the process.
                                                                                    1. Sienna Queen 01 february 2014, 22:28 # 0
                                                                                      Well said and with all that extra profit so you honestly believe they will just line their pockets with gold? The megaserver tech was created by them so it isn't definable in maintenance cost (unless we have a worker of ZeniMax here) so that obviously plays a role.
                                                                                      What I am trying to advocate is that though it is more money then ordinary i full heartedly believe they will truly make it our money's worth. I don't expect them to just release the game and leave it like that while twiddling their thumbs, there will be updates patches and a constant stream of new content, otherwise whats the point of a monthly stream of revenue? they do have a reputation to uphold, and they do make it seem like this is their current golden egg, like Skyrim used to be.

                                                                                      I agree that this is alot of money but ranting and raving about how its simply a waste is just being emotionally illogical. Everyone has bills to play so saying its very overpriced is extremely debatable. Again I am stating they are attempting to maximize their profit with a really good egg, its common sense to sell your best horse for the highest price, i am sure anyone here would think likewise so my message was simply to get people thinking before they slander TESO for an extra 10 bucks a month. I know a whole lot of working people that if they gave up Starbucks they would be able to pay this and enjoy it more lol.

                                                                                      But again i agree that they can get away with it and possibly even turn a higher product but I think weeding out the cheapskates from a games userbase can really help, usually when you buy something you want your moneys worth so we wont have as many nebbish players complaining 24/7 lol. Who knows, maybe that was Zenimax's intent, to make the game one for the the few who really do wish to play. I honestly beleive they will lower it in the future or make it F2P, hopefully by then i will have gotten good enough to beat up on some noobs :)
                                                                                      1. Loswaith 03 february 2014, 03:16 # 0
                                                                                        You seem to be coming at it from a black and white situation. They can do everything you mention AND they can also turn great profits with a lower subscription fee. Thats the point I'm making about the costings.
                                                                                        The only reason they seem to be going with 15USD is because thats what was done before (abet many great games have failed or moved to be free because of it too).

                                                                                        If you think the all the extra they get will be pumped back into the game you will be sorely mistaken (they likely have the team already set that will do updates), it will line vaults as thats what businesses do, turn maximum profit and it's up to the customers to say 'thats too much'.

                                                                                        You can weed out the cheapskates and nebbish players all you like, but you will still get complainsts 24/7 (you only have to look at WoW to see that). Infact they will feel more entitled to demand things because they are 'paying a chunk of money to play', because quite frankly Jerks have money too.

                                                                                        If it was the intent to weed out people why stop at a 15USD a month, and go for 20 or even 30 a month? Surely that would weed out more of these 'cheapskates' and 'nebbish' you seem to think shouldn't play these games, way to be elitist before the game even begins.
                                                                                        1. Sienna Queen 03 february 2014, 09:36 # 0
                                                                                          I do not doubt that there will be more than enough profit, because obviously its a great franchise and like any great franchise it makes way more money than whats put into it, what I'm stating however is that just like any great franchise it will hold up the «great» part of it making it its moneys worth, people compare it to WoW because that's the only similar game (in consumers view) however they have gone out of their way to be better and different than WoW (seems like everyone compares every MMO to WoW in some way nowadays but that's expected). Fact of the matter is TESO is different in both how much effort is put into it and what it is projected to do. The people who fail to realize is anticipated grandeur seem to see basic value. As i stated in my original comment, they intend the game to pay off its monetary worth with personal enjoyment. $15 dollars is in no way that bad unless your dirt poor (which in any case the concentration should be more on the person's economic situation then games). I asked before that potential players do some basic math so that they can think about what this game would be worth to them, if they see 15$ then just automatically assume its like throwing your paycheck away then they shouldn't play simply because they are cheapskates (even people on unemployment checks will pull it off). In most MMO's i have played the silver spoon players complain less due to them being the prioritized minority. Now seeing as there wont be any F2P player money boosts everyone that does pay for TESO would be relatively equal and only differ by effort put into play. However Lowering the price(or making it free) will widen that minority. thats just the way the world works rich people complain less in their fanciful lifestyles and the poor complain more for the lack of a fanciful lifestyle (sometimes me :/ )
                                                                                          I really hope you do know your Elder Scrolls lore enough to realize exactly how much can or will be added to TESO. By personal experience i believe all MMO players will agree that with more money you put into it the more value you place on it. F2P games hardly hold normal players interest for more than a year, TESO is hoping to last 10.But always remember that sellers selll at an equilibrium price otherwise its just bad business, and if what you believe is applied then Zenimax is looking for the exact opposite. But who knows, the economy might be wrong in the way that poorer people get inferior goods and richer people get normal goods. In my mind inferior is something i wold definitely complain about more then something normal ;p

                                                                                          I just can't wait to play a game that i have seen to be great and i don't want to miss out on the new content every 6 weeks. Who knows maybe since im such an elitist i might get a few vanity items just so i can sleep better at night lol. That last part was jokingly said, elitist in my head usually goes hand in hand with those super rich guys taht basically pour money into the game for bonuses making them better than everyone else (not TESO btw).

                                                                                          For a few moments i would like to remind you of marginal cost vs marginal benefit and show that players who have more benefit wont mind the cost (which is relatively low for entertainment) but players who would mind the cost would have the marginal cost seem higher making them pretty much nebbish cheapskates. Who know maybe instead of watching cable someone might play TESO instead and make a profit (if they stop paying for cable).

                                                                                          Sorry but i don believe we will see completely eye to eye, i am having a more optimistic outlook on this and you seem more pessimistic. I see the game as a months worth of hours of gameplay and you see it as maybe a week? Or maybe im just misinterpreting you and you might actually buy the game then tell me it wasn't worth the price :)

                                                                                          If people think so little of it who know maybe instead of playing casually over years, they will just power through enough gameplay in a month to make it worth it, wait make that 2 months considering people have to sleep. Then they can comeback 5 years from now and have all this new content that they can power through again :)
                                                                                          Maybe i should do that and keep cost dirt low and marginal benefit sky high.

                                                                                          But again i understand where your coming from, a profit will always be made but i always notice that the richer the producer the better the product, so maybe the graphics wont be 10 years old 10 years from now like WoW. how about we just wait until they lower the price (which will inevitably happen) and then have this conversation some more.
                                                                                          1. Loswaith 26 february 2014, 15:58 # 0
                                                                                            Actually I am up on my lore (even it it is a bit rusty) so well aware of what the world setting can offer. I've been playing TES since Arena was released.

                                                                                            I'm also aware that Bethesda said they would never do a multi-player elder scrolls because they want to focus on making single player games the best they can be. Though all I've seen it simply looks like yet another MMO with nothing revolutionary to it, and a lot of marketing buzz words, rather than letting the game speak for itself.
                                                                                            Even if it was the greatest game I have ever seen I'd still be questioning a $15 subscription fee in a market flodded with alternate options for a fraction of the cost, given some of these competitor franchises likely have more hardcore fans than TES has fans in total, and they still couldnt make the subscription model work.

                                                                                            While $15 a month isnt much for entertainment value (as a whole), games never have been high on the entertainment cost per hour of entertainment and in the current market is the amount you can get some exceptional completly new games for, that you can play in a month, year or even 5 years from now without any further charges. So comparitivly it is very expensive gaming entertainment.
                                                                                  2. apple.snowsong 20 february 2014, 17:44 # 0
                                                                                    If it was only $5. a month, few people would mind. That would be $60. a year, so like the price of buying the base game over every year to get new content and a common server to play on together, without having in-game monetary annoyances. Win-Win situation. :)
                                                                                  3. Katy1030 07 march 2014, 08:40 # 0
                                                                                    Screw you, first off.

                                                                                    The elitism displayed by my fellow TES veterans is disturbing.

                                                                                    I am really kind of tired of seeing the «You could stop buying beer/candy/pot/(insert luxury item here) to pay for ESO». As if people who are worried about $15/month aren't ALREADY barely scraping by. You're right, we swim in a virtual sea of disposable money, but we spend it poorly and if we would only be responsible we would have nothing to complain about.

                                                                                    I am a loyal TES and MMO player. I would LOVE to throw every cent of extra money I have at the team that developed a great game. In fact, I have thrown as much money as I could at Bethesda since I was 12. Also EA (for UO) and SOE (for Everquest). Neither currently, but the amount of money I've spent on games, cumulatively, is definitely more than I've paid for food, which is probably indicative of a mental illness. We are avid gamers, but we DO pay rent and electricity. Me and my husband are not freeloading bums, we are hard working college kids each working 2 stupid jobs and STILL skipping our internet bill, water, or groceries (and eating with our parents), when necessary.

                                                                                    That doesn't mean we should be given the metaphorical finger by our favorite game. It's not just wrong but STUPID to alienate players like us. When these games weren't cool, we played them. When they came out with overpriced collector's editions, we mowed lawns and delivered pizzas and skipped meals so we could buy them. What they are saying by setting this price is «We don't want ANY of your money, yes we could make profit by taking less of your money but your money isn't good enough for us, ESO is a premium game for premium customers only and you just aren't our target market». It's bad business sense because the elitists are going to become bored much quicker than us «die-hards», who would happily play this game for 10+ years and buy every single expac, IF ONLY WE COULD. I've played TES since Morrowind, and MMOs since UO, spent an incredibly unwise amount of money that I don't have trying to keep my favorite games alive.

                                                                                    If I hear one more privileged, self righteous nerd get on this forum and say «people who complain about the price are freeloading bums who don't want to support hardworking devs»… Honestly, this is a serious issue.

                                                                                    You guys are kinda assholes.

                                                                                    «For shame», indeed.
                                                                                    1. Sienna Queen 07 march 2014, 16:21 # 0
                                                                                      So you do admit its manageable? I am poorer than you and wont complain about 15 dollars, it would be ideal to have 5 dollars a month, as anyone would like a lower price on anything but your same problems would still apply it would just be more manageable which is perfectly awesome. Sadly I am just sticking up for the people who made and fund the game willingly and without complaint, i can honestly admit these devs do get paid more than me with their degrees and game making skills and i am okay with that, they deserve it. Anyone care to disagree? This would apply to any argument on something expensive but i like to be on the opposite side of complaints as a personal preference and avid supporter of business, obviously if the price was so unmanageable i would be with you guys, i would not pay excessive amounts for something not worth it, but in my eyes TSO is more than worth it, iiits new and hip to all gaming nerds ;)
                                                                                      If something is there that you have disagreed with me on yet then please re comment. Entertainment is expensive all over and maybe this is privileged, but my argument remains, is it worth it? If people say yes, we have Bethesdas target market, if people say no, then simply don't play the game and come up 200+ dollars a year!
                                                                                      I just like wondering if people would definitely do things differently if they were the devs, because no one in business wants bad business right? And with all the previous MMO flops, it would be pretty stupid to assume Bethesda and Zenimax didnt learn anything from them in hopes they would make this game flop (completely unlikely).
                                                                                      Will complaining help without valid fact based arguments? Yes, most likely! Lets just hope economists at bethesda project that this is going to show a decrease in profit! Who knows maybe bethesda is just doing this so that people like you will play in the future to relieve the wasteful $15 dollar players when they do lower the subscription price which can be a year to 5 years from now. Now thats good business and common sense :)

                                                                                      You guys want a graph? ;)

                                                                                      P.S. real bums dont play videogames, they are usually alchoholics! :)
                                                                                      But lower class people do and im sure college kids are in this bracket, yet they will most likely manage playing this game hmmmm…
                                                                                      1. Katy1030 08 march 2014, 15:52 # 0
                                                                                        I had a specific «fact based arguement» in another post.

                                                                                        But that was really just to vent about all the crazy socioeconomic hate flying through this thread.

                                                                                        Yes entertainment costs money, and the game should cost money. But it's the high end of subscription price AND the high end of upfront cost AND requires Live/Gold membership for the console kids like me. Anyone who thinks they need to make this game cost that is well, dumb. This game will be a cash cow, it's virtually guaranteed. I don't know anyone who isn't buying it.

                                                                                        The thing is, many fans of the original TES games are college aged kids like me. If they want to play on a console (like me) they'll be paying $25 a month for ONE game. And that's just one account, what about all the couples who play, then you're paying a whopping and shameful $50 a month for both of you to play ONE game. Is it worth it? I am a super gaming nerd, and this game is like, amazing. But no game is worth that kind of money, to me, because that's about what we eat with in my house. And many of their college aged die hard fans are probably going to feel the same way. So why would they knowingly alienate us? I know they are running a business and profit is their goal, but there is just no WAY that they wouldn't make more money by lowering the price and widenning their player base. Anyone who plays any kind of game would probably buy and play this if it wasn't so expensive. The PvP could bring in people who don't even play MMOs. I mean this thing could be HUGE, but they are making cost their limiting factor… Which is lame.

                                                                                        I will still be saving money for this game and hope it gets cheaper when they see how people feel about their price. I'll buy it the instant I can… So I guess I am not really teaching them anything, they'll still get my money. But the least they should have to do is read angry forum posts from their brokenhearted, devoted fans who are getting crushed.
                                                                                        1. Sienna Queen 09 march 2014, 23:28 # 0
                                                                                          Yes that is one of the heavy inconveniences, the xbox live dilemma, bethesda and zenimax actually tried to take out the gold cost factor for players playing only for ESO but microsoft shot them down, they got through to PlayStation though so i wouldnt put that on ESO. I never disagree with the inconvenience of the pricing i just dont like the pessimistic reasoning some complainers have, i just like thinking its worth that much only and once it gets lower priced it will be cheaper and as such will be even more worth it.
                                                                                          1. Loswaith 14 march 2014, 11:52 # 0
                                                                                            You realise that reguardless of the profits ESO makes that the development team themselves wont get a cent more than they would get otherwise, their wages wont change (anymore than the normal growth their wages would have on a single player title).

                                                                                            Though given the short turn around of promissed content they will be asked or expected to work a lot more to get it out. While if ESO doesnt get the profit Zenimax expects they may even loose their jobs.
                                                                                            1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 03:20 # 0
                                                                                              That's true. But rather than using it as an excuse to suck players dry, I realize the game has a $200 million budget, which is huge. And their median wage for devs is probably less than 60k each. Do the math. They'll make back their budget, and wages, plus A LOT.

                                                                                              Assume they have 150 devs, which they don't. That's $9 million IF their wage is 60k, which it isn't, for a grand total of $209 million. The game is 60-80 bucks, and the imperial edition is outselling BY FAR. If they sell about 2,500,000 they've made back ALL of their budget plus the devs' salaries for a year (And EDIT: Remember that is WAY more than their real costs!). They sold over 150,000 THE FIRST TWO WEEKS THEY WERE AVAILABLE, just on PC. No one is sure how many the current total is, but the console versions will release in a couple months. You're trying to tell me they won't make profit? GW2 had 2 million at launch. ESO is almost sure to crush that. AND it's launching on consoles. They'll be paid in full in 2 months, bet on it.

                                                                                              BEFORE A SINGLE SUB IS PAID, and before anyone visits THE STUPID CASH SHOP. Just on the PC sales, they will probably do fine.

                                                                                              So someone will be like «blah blah maintenance» and «blah blah new content». They ALWAYS say they will add tons of new content. All that means is patches, which the game would break without. Still plenty of work, but… And maintenance? Enough to make a dent in a budget like that? Give me a break.

                                                                                              Let me revise. They will do fine if they can crush GW2, WoW, and everything else people are spending money on. Which they can do. Assuming their customers don't continually feel SHAFTED, get turned off, and abandon the whole thing. Like me.

                                                                                              You're absolutely right, the devs don't set these prices and they don't make any more money if it makes more profits. Anything beyond that is just padding the pockets of some random old white guys that don't give a crap about you, or me, or the devs, or the Elder Scrolls.
                                                                                              1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 04:49 # 0
                                                                                                Oh BTW guys, I just found out there were 2 MILLION BETA TESTERS. No joke.

                                                                                                If they haven't ALREADY made their money back I would be SHOCKED.

                                                                                                Before a single sub, or cash shop visit.
                                                                                            2. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 02:34 # 0
                                                                                              «ESO» Isn't just one entity, there is the development side of things and the business slimeballs, and they are completely different, the business assholes don't necessarily know anything about games.

                                                                                              You're absolutely right, you can't put it on «ESO» in general, not any of this. However the business major SLIMEBALLS in charge, yes, I can absolutely blame them for not cutting a deal with Microsoft, as though they don't have enough profit already, as if it would hurt them. And as if them cutting a deal with Sony means they're good people and it's MS's fault or something. There is definitely no defending the cash shop and Imperial edition race crap, once you've already bought the damn thing, and you can blame that on the exact same business SLIMEBALLS. I will bet you anything that Zenimax walked on the deal with MS deal because it wasn't sweet enough, not MS. They wanted ESO to help sell their rocky console release after all the DRM stuff. They HAD a bunch of promos on it that they've since stopped emphasizing. I'm pretty sure I know who to blame.

                                                                                              I know «business slimeball» is a bit repetitive, but just for the hell of it: THEY'RE GAME BREAKING SLIMEBALLS. Just plain greedy.
                                                                                            3. chris 01 april 2014, 06:14 # 0
                                                                                              ESO will only understand their mistake when die-hard fans don't purchase the game. I am a die-hard fan and had to return my pre-order in exchange for DESTINY; they have the same concept.
                                                                                              1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 01:59 # 0
                                                                                                Honestly, for real you guys…

                                                                                                I AM SO DONE WITH ESO! There, I said it. I've revised my position. I am NOT going to save up and struggle to support this game. Why? Imperial edition exclusive race, AND a cash shop????

                                                                                                ON TOP OF THE OTHER SHIT??? ARE YOU SERIOUS ZENIMAX?!?!?! In a $60-$80 game that you ALSO pay a sub for, that uses Live, and is ONLY available on next gen consoles?

                                                                                                For like, $800 dollars a year (for me and my husband to both play) I STILL don't get the fucking whole game?!?

                                                                                                I am so angry, I flipped out like «error 37» guy from youtube when I found out exactly how all this will work in the last beta.

                                                                                                For real guys. Don't buy this. We don't have to let this happen. Pricing models are something every gamer feels strongly about on either side, but we should ALL be able to agree this is wrong. Real talk, we are all avid gamers and loyal fans of this franchise. So are the people who made this thing. We all deserve better than this. We deserve to own the WHOLE game if we're paying for their ridiculous price, whatever it is, and the devs deserve to have their game be remembered for something better than «the most expensive game». This is now WAY over the top, and isn't a matter of opinion anymore, it's just plain wrong.

                                                                                                Zenimax marketing slimeballs-- You guys broke my heart. Seriously. Da fuck.

                                                                                                -sigh- So Destiny huh?
                                                                                                1. chris 02 april 2014, 05:02 # 0
                                                                                                  If ESO was F2P with the option of making micro transactions I would have no problem. Sometimes it does not matter who has the bigger wallet but who is actually better on the sticks. And that is what true gamers understand. For example, on COD there are many people who have the extra weapons that are considered «better» but I still do just fine with the given class.

                                                                                                  Also, not to mention I was reading ESO that the «extra downable content» ESO will be giving will be GUILD quest and dark bother hood missions WHICH ARE QUEST THAT SHOULD ALREADY BE ON THE GAME. ESO is giving us a watered down version to make us pay a sub fee.

                                                                                                  lol. In my honest opinion Destiny will likely be better than ESO but the only reason I was not getting Destiny was because of me being a TESO nerd. Destiny will offer game play like ESO. You will be able to quest together or alone and travel the world; you can quest with strangers and friends. Destiny will also have a app that updates you on the never-ending world. Not to mention Destiny has public areas where you can join without a lobby and fight the enemy for XP; however they do not mention how many people can be in a public area. You can also be a apart of a fire squad as well. Dev. In theory, Destiny is like ESO BUT FREE!

                                                                                                  If you can not wait for Destiny, I suggest Watch Dogs; It will be a awesome game as they delayed it for a year. I think the Dev. of Watch Dogs are trying to take GTA out.
                                                                                                  1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 05:34 # 0
                                                                                                    You have got to be kidding. Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild as paid DLC? When did this happen?
                                                                                                    1. chris 02 april 2014, 05:43 # 0
                                                                                                      It will not be as a paid DLC but the DEV. say you get those quest and other content with the sub fee and that is the " 100 of hours of game play they are adding" that the DEV. whole-heatedly stand by. The fact that they are acting like real fans are idiots and are just suppose to forget about those memorable quest; IS RIDICULOUS!

                                                                                                      I am just disappointed I will not purchase this game in lieu of another game.
                                                                                                      1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 05:56 # 0
                                                                                                        Well whatever. That's just their stupid lame ass cover. They have to say that. All games with controversial sub issues say they'll «be able to deliver new content all the time». It just means patches. If those two guilds are made available after release (I heard they'd be there at launch but whatever) but to everyone, that just means that it was rushed out prematurely. Which may be true, only playing in the public test server means we just can't be sure if those crazy bugs are indicative of an unfinished game or not.

                                                                                                        However, with the news getting worse all the time, it would not surprise me if they DID come out as paid DLC, or maybe they're «included» in the imperial edition «for a fee». Meaning buy the imperial edition to get access to then pay MORE to buy them.

                                                                                                        I hate to rag on this company like this but really, it wouldn't surprise me.
                                                                                      2. Sean Holder 15 january 2014, 22:50 # 0
                                                                                        I guess my question is: If you pay 6 month or annually...etc. will there be a discount off the monthly fee?
                                                                                        1. Duelist 16 january 2014, 07:26 # 0
                                                                                          Yes, there will be discount when you buy multiple months at a time. But there is no information about how big the discount will be.
                                                                                        2. Andy Ogden 16 january 2014, 09:47 # 0
                                                                                          Last night I was close to pre ordering the game until my mate mentioned about the extra costs per month. I think it's a complete rip off and has stopped myself and many people I know in not pre ordering it. £55 to buy the game then all these extra add ons, annoying games are like this now. I certainly won't be buying it along with many other people until you announce its free. As gaming has a vast amount off teenage interest 'along with adults' well for some teens a game is a treat for a birthday or Christmas, when parents are expected to pay £8 a month or what ever it will be then I can't imagine this going down well, something needs rethinking…
                                                                                          1. Tyler Atkins 16 january 2014, 21:04 # 0
                                                                                            Waaah, I have to pay money for an amazing product that dozens of people put insane amounts of time and effort into! Waaah.

                                                                                            All of you sitting there and complaining about the original purchase charge and the subscription fees do realize this is how you sound, correct? God forbid the people who put all the effort into creating something that you would more than likely love if you gave it a chance should make a buck and get what they need to keep it going.

                                                                                            /endrant
                                                                                            1. chris 01 april 2014, 06:11 # 0
                                                                                              How do you know the product is amazing when you have not played it? DESTINY has the same concept as ESO and is not charging a sub. How do you explain that?
                                                                                              1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 03:42 # 0
                                                                                                Moron.

                                                                                                As if the devs see a cent of extra money from ESO making more money. As if they NEED it to cost like this to reach goals.

                                                                                                So say you, and that's FINAL. Anyone who disagrees is a crybaby freeloader who doesn't want to support TES.

                                                                                                Just wow.
                                                                                              2. Jessica Richmond 20 january 2014, 00:15 # 0
                                                                                                Although I can appreciate the business-model, the subscription fees would pack a double-punch on our household, as my husband and I were looking at ESO as a game we would play together (previously we spent a lot of time in FTP [Him, Diablo III, me Gw2]).

                                                                                                Though we are both big fans of TES franchise, the financial breakdown for us at the proposed price looks something like this: 2 copies of the game [64.99CADx2 + 13% tax = $146.88] 2 monthly subscription fees [14.99US=16.43CAD {as of today's exchange rate} x 2 = $32.86 (assuming no tax)]. It's nice that they're offering the 1st month's fee in the purchase price, but the he grand total for my hubby and I to play for 6 months would still be about $311.18. I can't help but be skeptical that there will be enough new content released so soon after launch as to justify that price under the «progression & expansion» argument.
                                                                                                At the very least, I hope that the developers will commit to a 100% micro-transactions/$vanity-free environment.
                                                                                                1. Chris Sparling 29 january 2014, 18:11 # 0
                                                                                                  i have to disagree with the straight sub fee modle. i know that elder scrolls is an awesome series. but it as of yet has to prove itself in the mmo genre. secondly are we all missing every game franchise that tried to topple wow and ultimately failed. look at age of conan, star wars, guild wars. the list keeps going higher and higher.

                                                                                                  making a game in this game that requires a sub fee is just plain ludacris. you will not pull the hardcore sub fans from wow. because wow has given them what they want. granted you may bring some over but ultimately when you can not deliver what blizzard is delivering they will go back and gladly pay the price that they would pay with this game for a game that they know will give them what they want and bend to their will.
                                                                                                  1. Joel Chehda 31 january 2014, 14:28 # 0
                                                                                                    It is very simple...DO NOT BUY this game, I am so disappointed at Bethesda/ZeniMax, I mean, I´ve been waiting for this game for a loooong time and when I´m ready to preorder it, I realized it comes with an old model monthly subscription fee!!! wtf!!! why don´t you make it pay once play forever (of course pay for expansions and dlcs), or f2p with optional subscription and all good stuff you can offer. Crap I am so pissed, I am from Argentina, I bought all the elder scrolls saga, with mods and expansions, economy here sucks, a monthly fee for a game that I bought just doesn´t make it. I hope NOBODY BUYS this game, so that goes f2p or pay once play forever. Thank you elderscrollsonline you ruined my desire to play. When WoW came out there was no competition, but now, there are so many MMORPG to play, that the user will choose a f2p game. Time is what we need, time is what we don´t have. How many fans are out there of Star wars that «would pay» to be a jedi or a sith?? How many fans are out there that «would pay» to be a super heroe like superman or batman?? check out what happened to SWTOR or DC Universe = f2p…
                                                                                                    you said in conclusion "Elder Scrolls will most likely use a Subscription method because it generates more revenue and allows them to maintain and develop high quality game." you can provide excelent service and high quality development and updates without a monthly fee to all users, as I said before, players would gladly pay for expansions! Can´t you see this is not what players want?? Another case: what if I can play beacause I have the money, but I want to play with my friend which they can´t cause they don´t have the money to pay a monthly fee, now THAT SUCKS!
                                                                                                    Now this excuse enraged me: "The F2P model is often used because it is easier to attract new players and for obvious financial reasons is a more attractive option for some people. But we do not think that TES Online will have problems with new subscribers. TES is a popular franchise and many people around the world are eagerly awaiting its release. Popularity is another one of the main reasons for using a Subscription model in ESO." You just confirmed that some people find this attractive (duuh yeah, the CEO, CFO, CMO, and maybe a couple project leaders) and you also confirm that you use the popularity of the game to suck the blood of the players… I still don´t understand what YOU are thinking, it´s just absurd! You gave cheap excuses of why you are charging a monthly fee!!! The only thing I can think of is that you are just a millionare blood sucker company that does not care what the player wants, but what you want!
                                                                                                    ONE simple thing: DO NOT BUY THIS GAME.
                                                                                                    1. chris 01 april 2014, 06:09 # 0
                                                                                                      I am buying DESTINY instead of ESO. I was going to get ESO just because I was a die hard fan but now HELL NO! DESTINY WILL BE BETTER!!!
                                                                                                    2. John Robert Gregoraschuk 02 february 2014, 00:45 # 0
                                                                                                      Ok so I understand the idea behind a subscription based game. I have been playing MMOs since Guild Wars first came out, and I don't see why $15 a month is worth a game at all. I love playing and making games, but I have yet to see a game that is worth $225, this is one year of play plus the game purchase. WoW had the advantage of being one of the best MMO's because people got tired of the EQ grind, and since people expected it to be p2p they payed for it. With such a large player base, and still being a good game Blizzard can still convince people to pay for it. However if anyone has noticed they have had to do more work to convince people to play the game over the last couple years. I honestly expect ESO to be p2p, but $15 is ridiculous. For god sakes has anyone looked at the number of subscribed players to Runescape? There are plenty of ways to supplement a $5-10 monthly fee with micro transactions, and all you idiots who say that micro transactions are bad need to actually pay attention to what they deal with: In a good game micro transactions are there to supplement personal game play. Pay to win is a completely different thing. Doesnt matter if you like the game or not look at the GW2 success with this, or even DDO(after they crashed). Neither of witch have near the same number of people interested in playing them as ESO does, and will in the future. Another good thing to do before you say that they need it to keep the game running, and add new content read the posts about cost to profit here. ESO is also releasing to platforms besides PC which already have extra fees attached, along with people who are not used to subscription fees. Half the people I know who play on those all said that there is no point in playing the game for them due to the fees. They are used to playing regular console games anyway, and if Bethesda doesnt release another normal Elder Scrolls game in the next couple years they are idiots. I have wanted to play an Elder Scrolls game online since I first played Oblivion and GW in the same day, and now I am not going to. I will just have to wait a year or two until ESO crashes and burns like every other game that has tried to charge such a high monthly fee since WoW. Also as a side note I wouldnt be surprised if someone opens a private server less than six months after the official PC release. So, from someone who couldn't wait for this, I cant wait until you crash and burn because you don't actualy give a damn about the players you greedy bastards.
                                                                                                      1. Yaél Matos 05 february 2014, 04:05 # 0
                                                                                                        my question is will there be a subscription fee for 1 year instead of 1 month?
                                                                                                        1. Ambuaz 06 february 2014, 10:40 # 0
                                                                                                          There will be an option to purchase several months at once at a lower price. I don't know about a year but I believe that it will be possible to buy 1 year of game time.
                                                                                                        2. Josh Lampe 05 february 2014, 22:08 # 0
                                                                                                          This is great news. Ultima, Ev & WoW have all been successful subscription based MMORPGs and they have also had the most loyal subscriber bases. I fully expect ESO to join their ranks. Subscription is the best model. It will keep the maturity level higher, F2P trash out and keep genuinely interested people involved through better content expansions.

                                                                                                          LOL @ all of you brats that expect stuff for free. Grow up, get a job or get a hobby that doesn't require legions of employees to create content and maintain systems for you. $15 per month is nothing. If you cant afford that, then you should probably be spending your time looking for a job, not playing MMORPGs. You want something for free? Call for your mom to bring you another PB&J to the basement.
                                                                                                          1. Nami Dragon 08 february 2014, 15:30 # 0
                                                                                                            Suscription based = epic fail
                                                                                                            Sorry but i will not play this game. I try the beta and it have a loooooot of bugs (ok it is the beta, bugs can be fixed) But the gameplay is also bad. When loading new stages, it leave you much time waiting, sometimes i waited up to 25 minutes, sometimes even the game crashes.

                                                                                                            I am a very fan of The Elders Scroll saga and this game disappoint me.
                                                                                                            1. Kyle Harms 08 february 2014, 23:01 # 0
                                                                                                              I am really big on Skyrim and have been playing it for a while. When I heard that TESO was offering online interaction with friends and other players it sounded amazing, but I knew it was too good to be true. Unfortunately, I was right. I used to play WoW for sometime until I saw what the game was doing to my wallet, so I had to quit. Then Bethesda went and decided to use the same payment methods as Blizzard… Subscription base is just stupid especially when the game costs $60 minus future possible expansion packs… You subscribe to a magazine line, not a f****g video game. I was really excited for TESO, but I will never pay for a subscription based game ever again.

                                                                                                              BOYCOTT SUB BASED
                                                                                                              1. Terry Clees 19 february 2014, 19:04 # 0
                                                                                                                If I have it for both my MAC and my PS4 will I have to pay $15 for each platform?
                                                                                                                1. Alexander Martin 25 february 2014, 21:42 # 0
                                                                                                                  Like the previous guy said RuneScape and Lotro already have the upper hand on ESO this way, they are complete morons for following blizzard as its an OLD business model. LOTRO is being shelved by WB, so nothing really new there but RS is already over 10 yos as a MMO and very strong if you want to adapt a business model use RS and JSHTTYD (Jumpstarts How to train your dragon).
                                                                                                                  1. Amadeuz 05 march 2014, 08:53 # 0
                                                                                                                    I have read alot of comments and it seems everyone gets stuck on the cost. 15 euros a month is nothing compared to other stuff you buy. The issue is that if you for example buy a coffee you also drink it, but when you have to pay a monthly fee and only have time to play less than 30 hours a month it feels like you only get like 20% of what you paid for so that will stop many from buying the game. Monthly fees are a really good option for those that play 200+ hours a month, but for those that likes the game and just have time to play now and then there's no good option.

                                                                                                                    I have seen games with purchase cost and then you get like 1hour a day of F2P and it stacks up to like 20 hours. So if you first would pay 100 euros for a game that you really like, but don't have that much time to play it isn't really worth the monthly fee cost.

                                                                                                                    So atm they only have an option for hardcore players that spend huge amounts of their time on playing(I have been there, done that too). I only ask for an option to still be able to play this game even if you only can play it like 4 days a month. By giving 1 hour of F2P every day is like trial time in other games so there is no lost money in this, it just opens up this game for those with little time to play.
                                                                                                                    1. Myles Timothy 06 march 2014, 06:01 # 0
                                                                                                                      Honestly I don't really mind that it will be subscription based, i kind of expected it. However I never want games where you can pay extra money to get special gear or boosts, I feel like when you do that it just comes down to who has the most money and then just gets the best gear. I'm still way excited for this game even if i have to pay a little extra. That is all just my opinion I know some people would completely disagree.
                                                                                                                      1. Damjan Hudobreznik 06 march 2014, 09:19 # 0
                                                                                                                        Yes!!! I hoped for subscription based model. Frequent updates, no annoying kiddies, no in-game money shops.

                                                                                                                        I dont care about the price, because i want to support the developers.

                                                                                                                        And for all of u who whine about it: Get a job.
                                                                                                                        1. Loswaith 14 march 2014, 12:01 # 0
                                                                                                                          Just an out of game store for extra stuff: Check it out here

                                                                                                                          Which amounts to basically the same thing.
                                                                                                                          1. Katy1030 02 april 2014, 03:52 # 0
                                                                                                                            First off you are an elitist asshole. As consumers, we have a right to complain about whatever we want. And people who don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on a GAME aren't bad people, that's MOST people. So screw you and your special little job, some of us wait tables and that doesn't make us bad people or unworthy of a fucking good game.

                                                                                                                            Second off, bet you feel pretty stupid now that you know there will be a cash shop after all. Hope you bought that special collector's edition and paid $20 extra for the imperial race. So they will be costing hard working good people like you AND sucking you dry like a f2p game. Have fun with that shit.
                                                                                                                          2. Amadeuz 06 march 2014, 11:42 # 0
                                                                                                                            I also think that getting better stuff for money ruins a game, that's a «game killer» cause there is always that one player that spends insane amounts of money and rules everything. If someone can put 20k dollars into a FB game I think they do it in better games too.

                                                                                                                            Would love it if this game could even open up a new option in online games that you can for example buy 50 hours of game time for 5 euros, then it doesnt matter if you only can play 1 or 50 hours a month. There is prob. statistics over how much players usually play online games with monthly fees so they could create a decent hour price.

                                                                                                                            Also it would be nice if they would have a mode that you can enter the game and chat even if you haven't paid, run around in ghost mode or something.

                                                                                                                            I have millions of ideas, the main point is that I hope that they read this forum and won't forget player with limited time to play and won't close you out from the whole game just because you haven't paid or have some trouble with your payment option.(Shops can run out of timecards, internet payment option can have some problems in their service and so on...). Still remember when we had to drive 200km to get new time to UO(ultima online), because they were all out and their next shipment was already reserved.
                                                                                                                            1. Katy Wilkerson 07 march 2014, 02:22 # 0
                                                                                                                              I am so sad.

                                                                                                                              I cannot possibly be alone as the only broke college kid that is DYING to play this and will do my best to scrimp and save to get it. But you guys are totally missing out on my business for now. I just plain can't afford it.

                                                                                                                              I don't have xbox live right now because I haven't been playing any of my old 360 games lately… So I'll buy the console SOLELY for this game (Goodbye 4-500 bucks), plus I'm sure my husband will want to play some other dumb new game, whatever. We were gonna buy it eventually, sure, but we'll buy it while it's expensive and new JUST for this game. Then I'll reboot my xbox live sub (goodbye another 50 bucks). Then I'll buy the $60 game, because the collector's edition is out of the question, even though I've bought collector's editions of ALL of the other TES games. Then I'll pay about what I pay for groceries for a week, every month-- or not be able to play the game I've by now spent over $100 on (not including the console)…

                                                                                                                              You guys are just crushing us. Are we REALLY supposed to believe that you wouldn't meet your goals if the console players had to pay like 5 bucks/month? Microsoft justifies charging us for xbox live by telling us it eliminates the need for subs to online games (in the line of Halo/COD). Evidently it does not.

                                                                                                                              It totally breaks my heart. You guys could get plenty of money out of me, a loyal fan since Morrowind, but you're greedy, and as of now you'll get none, not because I don't want to pay you or because I'm some kind of freeloader, simply because if I buy your game I won't be able to eat. I am an avid gamer, but not quite THAT addicted. I am DYING to throw money at you guys, as much as I can, but you're asking too much.

                                                                                                                              So some nerd is going to say «well just buy the PC version». I PREFER to play on the xbox and shouldn't be penalized for that, for one thing. But regardless, my computer (like most computers right now) can't handle ESO on anything other than minimum settings for performance or low settings for quality. That's to be expected, after all it's a new game and they want it to have longevity. I don't have a crap computer, by any means, either.

                                                                                                                              Anyways, whenever someone asks this question in the beta chat there is just a barrage of «stone the poor kid» crap so I'm sure I'll be hearing it now too. But I cannot possibly be alone. I'm a full time college student, I just got married, my husband and I each work 2 crappy jobs, we are not some bums or anything. I have no problem paying you guys, and by the way I already HAVE paid you guys hundreds. Games should be about fun. They should be inclusive, not exclusive. I can't see how alienating anyone who doesn't have hundreds of bucks in disposable income is good for any video game franchise, as your target market is young people.

                                                                                                                              I personally don't hate F2P, unlike some people. I haven't played GW2 (too many features I consider «deal breakers»), but I have played Everquest when it was a sub-based game, and Everquest II which is F2P. Considering it's a WoW clone, it's a good game. Probably the best of the «cookie cutter» MMOs out there. The gameplay suffers much more from balance issues and an outdated world than its F2P model. I prefer to not have ads, sure. And I am ok with paying for that… If I could afford your game I would buy it. But are we REALLY supposed to believe that you need that much money to make profit, that you're getting NOTHING from Microsoft and we have to foot your bill?

                                                                                                                              *sigh* Back to hoping for EQN (which sounds worse every time I hear new news). Or maybe ESO will get cheaper when they release it and the only people who can afford it are kids with rich parents, and/or old people (their parents). If it gets cheaper in 2 years someone email me.

                                                                                                                              (By the way, in anticipation of the «stone the poor kid» people-- you are a$$holes and I don't care what you think)
                                                                                                                              1. Katy1030 07 march 2014, 03:09 # 0
                                                                                                                                Oh and also-- I am in the same place as Jessica up there ^^ My husband and I would love to play together and have 2 accounts, but even after I SOMEHOW manage to save money for the up front costs of this game, however long that will take, you'll be losing a subscriber you could have had because we'll be sharing an account and enjoying the game less since we won't play together. We already do enough juggling to play together off of one Live account (he uses our neighbor/friend's console and account next door when we need to kill each other). If the game was 40-50 bucks and the sub was 5, we would give you much more total money, I would buy one then he would follow in a few months. Or, if it was 100-150 bucks for the game and a years access, we could probably pull that off too. The monthly bit is really what kills us, because we can save up for a lump sum, hard as it is, but we can't possibly change our monthly income.

                                                                                                                                I have no real problem with ESO being sub-based… I, being broke, would have been fine with F2P too. But it is the high end of subs, AND the high end of up front purchase costs, AND on a brand new console.

                                                                                                                                Anyone who says they NEEDED to do all of those things is just ignorant. Make it expensive up front, OR an expensive sub, but no game this popular NEEDS both. They already stand to make millions from preorders, I would be willing to bet. It would be wiser to expand the base, and not alienate your loyal and loving college aged fans.
                                                                                                                                1. chris 01 april 2014, 05:59 # 0
                                                                                                                                  I totally agree and I am in the same boat; BROKE COLLEGE STUDENT!!.. I am a huge fan of the game and hate that they are making me choose DESTINY over them! I pre-ordered ESO without doing any research on the game only to find out they are charging for a subscription. It hurts that I have to return the pre-order. I HOPE THEY FIX THIS SOON.
                                                                                                                              2. Steffen Hansen 11 march 2014, 09:45 # 0
                                                                                                                                110 USD just for the game, and then 14 USD a months if you want to play the game!!!

                                                                                                                                I´m out, no game can be that great.
                                                                                                                                1. Jimmy Bellinghausen 19 march 2014, 03:16 # 0
                                                                                                                                  Anyone else ticked off (not because I'm 90% sure they actually stated it would be f2p in their early stages) but because they put the guy talking with Skyrim footage? We're this close to the release, they should at least change the backdrop of the announcements as teasers.
                                                                                                                                  1. TRINITY 26 march 2014, 14:40 # 0
                                                                                                                                    I'm from Philippines and this news disappointed me.
                                                                                                                                    I'm not really sure for the exact price though but the price for 1 month subscription is $14.99 = 675PHP in our country. That is really a lot of money. I hope Bethesda would learn from the mistakes of WoW, look how it is dying slowly, they also promised for new content every month, But all I saw was Expansion Packs giving you another time to spend up your wallet. Seriously, Who would want to pay for Pre-Order of ESO Imperial Edition = $99.00 with only 30 days of subscription and $14.99 for monthly basis? That would bring drought to my wallet. Lol.

                                                                                                                                    I hope they would make the price $10 or less. Regardless of price, This MMO is so epic it would totally bring down WoW.
                                                                                                                                    1. chris 01 april 2014, 05:53 # +1
                                                                                                                                      ugh. I really was looking forward to this game. I am a die-hard fan as well. When I heard there was going to be a ESO I ran to gamestop to pre-order without even researching the game. Now after hearing about the subscription fee I will be returning ESO for DESTINY which is comparable to ESO or maybe even better. I hope ESO can lower the subscription price or due away with it so I could get the game. But if not DESTINY seems like a interesting game and fun game!
                                                                                                                                      1. Nick Nick 03 april 2014, 10:41 # 0
                                                                                                                                        exactly! I was about to prepurchase this game, but--now that I know its going to be subscription based--fuck that. Why would anyone pay thousands of dollars for in the long run for one fucking game? I can't wait for TES6--I've been a fan ever since TES3. I hope they won't end up like Blizzard, which basically said «fuck Warcraft, we're making more WoW.» Subscription based games are the main reason why I hate WoW and the new CoD's now. From the bottom of my heart, fuck you Bethseda.
                                                                                                                                      2. Juanchis Lopez 03 april 2014, 20:24 # +1
                                                                                                                                        Im not getting it… I already spent to much money for a gaming PC, besides, online game code is $60 or $80, to play for one month?!.. I remember when the first Elder Scrolls game came out, I followed its series for a long time, did the developers even considered that some players are just casual? that not many people can play it 5 or 6 hours a day paying to worth paying $15 a month?.. Bethesda… im now an old fan of Elder Scrolls series, dont be so arrogant yet before launching the game, how do you even know you are not limiting its own potential??? Just testing the game to just see if it is good, cost $80, dont you see that?
                                                                                                                                        1. Obrehn 04 april 2014, 02:55 # +1
                                                                                                                                          This information means that I will not be playing the Elder Scrolls Online. I was hoping for being able to buy it once for around $60-$50 and then play indefinitely, but paying $60 for a month and then adding $14.90 for the months after the first is too expensive for me. I feel that this decision is putting the profit before the players which is done far too often in the gaming industry. Bethesda, I understand you have to make a profit for yourself, but you are losing your customers because of this decision.
                                                                                                                                          1. Olaf Brix 06 may 2014, 13:00 # +1
                                                                                                                                            Same here, I'm an Xbox one player and massive fan of the Elder Scrolls Series. Been playing since Morrowind, bought all games+ add ons since. But just before I was about to pre-order ESO, a buddy of mine told me about the extra subscription fee. Luckily he told me in time…

                                                                                                                                            Did a little calculation, and this is what you would be paying as a European (euros):

                                                                                                                                            1st year: 69 (game) + 12 x 12,33 (one year of subscription)= 216,96 (=217) ----> 217+ 60 (Xbox Gold)= 277 euros for initial year. Maybe take out one month of subscription (trail phase), still you would be paying 264,66 for the first year of playing.

                                                                                                                                            2nd, 3rd, etc. year: 12 x 12,33 = 147,96 + 60 (Gold) = 207,96 (=208) euros per additional year…

                                                                                                                                            So, after playing just TWO years of Elder Scrolls Online, you would almost have spent the same amount of money on ONE measly game as you have spent on buying your Xbox One in the first place, with a difference of about 35-40 euros! Are they insane!?

                                                                                                                                            Too bad so sad, I'm off it, bunch of money-grubbing bastards… for shame Bethesda, for shame.
                                                                                                                                            1. Sam McGuire 09 may 2014, 13:24 # 0
                                                                                                                                              … games like this are good but yet make you broke. i demand free to play with a one time fee of 100$-150$ because this 15$ a month with the 80$ is not good, i wont pay for it unless it comes down in price.
                                                                                                                                              1. Sam McGuire 09 may 2014, 13:25 # 0
                                                                                                                                                console gamers wont even be able to play your game with the xbox live 5$ a month fee already scamming us
                                                                                                                                                1. Sam McGuire 09 may 2014, 13:27 # 0
                                                                                                                                                  1. Olaf Brix 14 may 2014, 11:29 # 0
                                                                                                                                                    Anyone else noticed that they suddenly postponed the console releases by 6 months due to 'bug-related issues'? Hahaha bunch of liars, let's hope they're reconsidering the subscription fee… they did say that they wanted to 'give the users what they deserve', I guess this falls right into that category. Free 2 play!!!
                                                                                                                                                    1. Terri van der We 15 may 2014, 20:37 # 0
                                                                                                                                                      my subscription is 30 days and i cannot play de game it asks me to set a subscripen plan?? please help
                                                                                                                                                      1. Ambuaz 16 may 2014, 06:08 # 0
                                                                                                                                                        It's not a good idea to look for such help at a fansite. You'd better contact official support and ask them about your issue.
                                                                                                                                                      2. Jculp 16 may 2014, 01:07 # 0
                                                                                                                                                        Originally was really looking forward to the game but there is no way I can afford with the subscription fee. If they were to lower to a more reasonable price I would be able to consider but overall just a big disappointment.
                                                                                                                                                        1. Jculp 16 may 2014, 01:11 # 0
                                                                                                                                                          As a a person who would be playing it on the xbox one.
                                                                                                                                                          1. Claudiu F 16 may 2014, 23:45 # 0
                                                                                                                                                            I live in Romania. With GDP per capita of $12,800 for the year 2012, Romania is an upper-middle income country economy. The children monthly allowance received from the government is approximately €9 per month. In March 2013, the net average monthly wage in the country was €387. [wikipedia] It is obvious that only a few romanians can afford the game on long term.
                                                                                                                                                            Being a 30+ guy, I could/can afford the previous games and ESO, but I have a full time job and the real-life is a big part of my life.

                                                                                                                                                            I'm a huge fan of the series and I would have played the game for a few hours each month as probably most fans of my age. But 1$ per hour is way too much for a MASSIVE multiplayer game, it took me 5 minutes to create an account and drop my free <2 cents> here, how much content I would have accessed in that 1h of playing?

                                                                                                                                                            So, before quoting a more inspired guy, let me say that I agree that F2P can ruin the fun if you pay against rich players and equal chances for all players is the way to go. But no hourly packages and no 5-10, but 15$/month?

                                                                                                                                                            Bethesda, from the bottom of my heart, love you and fuck you! I wont wait one year to play a cheaper version when the game will loose momentum and players.
                                                                                                                                                            1. Claudiu F 17 may 2014, 00:20 # 0
                                                                                                                                                              Josh Lampe,

                                                                                                                                                              The online servers are actually very cheap and they could handle thousands of players on 5-10 servers. You take 1$ from the subscription, you get 2 nice server farms in 2 datacenters near internet exchanges that could cover a continent.
                                                                                                                                                              Game engines, textures, GUI is REUSABLE content and this is already included in the GAME fee.
                                                                                                                                                              What's left for tens of millions of $ per month besides envy for the WoW scheme? New textures (items), audio/video content?
                                                                                                                                                              If it costs ~60$/user to create the game (check other games titles with good graphics and less players, you might discover that 60$ is expensive), how come it costs hundreds of $ to add less content than the game itself, those costs being handled by a company that is active in this business since '80s. We are not charged by some guys who started this business yesterday and put a high markup just to make sure they could afford the employees to deliver patches.

                                                                                                                                                              Of course, while Blizzard made a shit load of $$$ and showed it is possible, Bethesda was more interested in making games, not $$$. Things have changed? We adapt. Fuck both B.

                                                                                                                                                              1. Jeffrey Dale Tea 25 may 2014, 21:52 # 0
                                                                                                                                                                I guess what confuses me the most is people complaining about paying 15 bucks a month to access all game content in its appropriate time, then turning around and saying they would probably spend more than that per month on Micro-transactions. How does that make any sense from a consumer POV? I dislike monthly fees as much as the next guy/gal, but if a game is really good then it’s worth every penny. Only concern I have is, with this game having a monthly fee will we have to pay for DLC (FFXI I’m talking directly at you here.)
                                                                                                                                                                1. Patrick Bullard 26 may 2014, 12:31 # 0
                                                                                                                                                                  if you don't get F2P then touch my back hair lol and F2P fits the game
                                                                                                                                                                  1. Evan Howieson 30 may 2014, 18:27 # +1
                                                                                                                                                                    ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!? I paid 40 pounds for this game and now I find out that I have to pay nearly 15 pounds a month more just to play the game?? Are you serious?! How can you expect people to pay extra money just to play the game?! BETHESDA what the hell is this game? FIX IT PLEASE! I shouldn't have to pay! Most MMO games are FREE
                                                                                                                                                                    1. sebastien 09 june 2014, 20:27 # 0
                                                                                                                                                                      Its funny to hear so many people complain about 15bucks a month. MOST of the people in this forum piss more money away on smokes, chips, and energy drinks costing far more than 15bucks a month LOL.
                                                                                                                                                                      1. Noel Barnes 08 july 2014, 14:55 # 0
                                                                                                                                                                        Well I'm going to hope they do a good discount on 12 month say £14.99 over 12 months is £179.88 give us a 20% discount for a year subs working out £143.90 working out £11.99 a month, Its not a big drop but in my case much easier to deal with.
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm gonna play this game with the free month we get for buying the game. If the game does not keep me hooked and makes me want to take time off work, get my little boy off to bed early then its off to trade in and wait until it's F2P. Think in terms of were paying for this game to be the best MMORPG ever with constant tweaks to AI, graphics, maps, characters including clothes, weapons, vanity items. The list of what could be done with the financial backing to implement all the above makes for, in theory the best elder scrolls game to date evolving into something that keeps everyone interested for a long period of time.
                                                                                                                                                                        Fingers crossed…
                                                                                                                                                                        1. D34TH4W41T5 23 august 2014, 18:47 # 0
                                                                                                                                                                          Hey @Katy1030, I read everyone's posts about how Bethesda and Zenimax are overpricing their subsrciption service. What really stood out to me was one of your posts. The part of the post was stating that if you were to buy this game, you would not have enough money to pay for FOOD!!! Well i also see your a college student too. So get this, you want to get this game even though you have no money. Oh! Ok well you need to get your priorities straight. And some of the others that are complaining about the subscription service too. The only exception i see is the the Third-world countries complaining, I understand where they are coming from. Well all i can say is good job guys for complaining about a permanent decision that Bethesda made. And if you guys really want to discuss this further, Let me know. Because some of you guys left yourself open to criticism.

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